And now we have a resurgence of "anointed" ,I really wonder why that is .
ANOINTING - How JWs really know!
by Amazing 63 Replies latest jw friends
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IAMNOBODYOFCONCERN
HI I AM NO ONE OF CONCERN
I WAS SEARCHING THE WEB WANTING TO OBTAIN INFO FROM THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.
WHEN I WAS GIVEN A NUMBER OF OPTIONS I CAME UPON THIS WEBSIGHT JEHOVAHS WITNESS.NET
I SEE THE SITE HAS BEEN CREATED TO ALLOW DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN VARIOUS JW'S AND OTHERS.
VARIOUS TOPICS CAN BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN PARTIES.
I'M SO DEEPLY HURT BY THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES BY THE VARIOUS MEMBERS TOWARDS THE SOCIETY
DUE TO A LACK OF FACTS (CONCRETE EVIDANCE) OR MISSUNDERSTANDINGS OF THE SCRIPTURES.
MOST ATTITUDES ARE SIMPLY ATTACKING THE SOCIETY REFERRING TO THE WATCHTOWER UPON WHAT
THE WATCHTOWER IS TEACHING OR WHAT THE WT IS LEADING BASED UPON THE WT'S BELIEF.
YOU SIMPLY FORGET THAT THE WATCHTOWER IS PRINTING STUDY ARTICLES OR AS CORRECTLY PUT,BIBLE
STUDY AIDS TO HELP THOSE THAT WISH TO INCREASE BIBLE KNOWELEGE.THE WT OVER CONSIDERABLE
STUDIES OVER VARIOUS ARTICLES PUT TOGETHER BIBLE BASED ARTICLES FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
IF YOU FEEL WE ARE WRONG THEN DONT READ THE ARTICLES GO SEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF. USE YOUR OWN
TIME AND RESOURCES TO FIND THE TRUTH,AND DO IT PROPERLY NOT ON HEAR SAY OR WHAT YOU'RE BROUGHT
UP TO BELIEVE.
WHAT IS IT YOU WANT?
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH? THERE ARE MANY LIES BUT ONLY ONE TRUTH.
ARE YOU ON THE SITE TO HAVE YOUR EARS TICKLED OR THROW IN YOUR PROFANITY TO FEEL GOOD HOW FILTHY
A PERSON CAN BEHAVE? A BEAUTIFUL GIFT OF SPEECH YET SO WIDELY ABUSED.
AT THE MOMENT THE STAGE IS SETUP ALLOWING MOCKERY,FILTH,ABUSE,LIES,HATRED,DECIET,BETRAYERS AND SHOWOFFS
TO RUN THERE COARSE,KNOWING FULLY THAT AS WE SPEAK WE ARE BRINGING OURSELVES INTO JUDGEMENT BASED
UPON YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE KINGDOM MESSAGE.IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE MESSAGE IT'LL BE UPON YOUR
HEART CONDITION THEN.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO FIND THE TRUTH THEN SEARCH FOR IT LIKE GOLD,YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT (JOHN 17:3).
I WANT TO PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE ARTICLE DISCUSSED "WHO REALLY HAVE THE HEAVENLY CALLING."
TO UNDERSTAND THIS THE BIBLE THE NEW TESTERMENT OFFERED ONE HOPE TO THE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION LIVING
IN JESUS TIME.THAT HOPE WAS A HEAVENLY ONE.THE JEWS WERE CHOSEN FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THEY WERE CHOSEN TO RULE AS KINGS AND PRIESTS,TO HEAL THE NATION AND BRING BACK PERFECTION.
LATER THE JEWS REJECTED JESUS AND SO LOST THAT HEAVENLY HOPE.
THE INVITATION WAS THEN LATER EXTENDED TO THOSE NOT BEEN PART OF THE JEWS.
THE AMOUNT OF HUMANS BEEN OFFERED THE HEAVENLY CALLING WAS LIMITED TO 144 000 (REV 7:4).
THE HEAVENLY CALLING IS DONE BY GOD USING HIS HOLY SPIRIT OR ACTIVE FORCE.
OVER THE CENTURIES HUMANS HAVE BEEN CALLED TO THE HEAVENLY HOPE FILLING UP
THE 144 000 INVITATIONS.
DURING THESE PERIODS ONLY ONE HOPE WAS EXTENDED TO MAN.
AROUND 1930'S JEHOVAH STARTED TO DRAW HIS ATTENTION TO ANOTHER CLASS OF
SHEEP CALLING THEM.JEHOVAH THROUGH HIS WORD AND HOLY SPIRIT OPENED THE
BIBLE STUDENTS EYES AS YOU WANT TO CALL IT TO NOW CONCERNTRATE ON BRINGING
IN THE OTHER SHEEP.
JEHOVAHS CALLING TO THE HEAVENLY HOPE HAD CHANGE, CALLING IN OTHER SHEEP
TO AN EARTHLY PARADISE STARTED TAKING PLACE.
EVIDENTLY THE HEAVENLY CALLING HAD COME TO ITS COMPLETION.
JEHOVAH HAD NOW CHANGED HIS CALLING TO AN EARTHLY HOPE USING HIS WORD
THE BIBLE AND HOLY SPIRIT.
IF NOW JEHOVAH IS CONCERNTRATING ON GATHERING THE EARTHLY CLASS AND AN OPENING FOR THE HEAVENLY CALLING IS AVAILIBLE,HOW DOES
JEHOVAH CALL A PERSON?
DUE TO JEHOVAH DRAWING IN THE GREAT CROWD, HE WOULD NOW ACT PERSONALLY ON AN INDIVIDUAL WITH THE HEAVENLY CALLING.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN A WAY SO AS TO NOT CAUSE CONFUSSION.THE PERSON WILL KNOW EXACTLY THE HEAVENLY CALLING IS CURTIAN.
HOW DO THEY KNOW?
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS YOU'D NEED TO QUALIFY FOR THE HEAVENLY CALLING,FIRSTLY,ACURATE KNOWELEGE,THEN BEING BAPTISED (JOHN 3:3-6)
ONLY THEN WOULD JEHOVAH DO HIS PART.
ONLY ONE CASE WAS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE OF A CERTAIN MAN FROM A DIFFERANT GROUP OF PEOPLE BEING ANOINTED FIRST BEFORE BAPTISM
BUT IMMEDIATELY WAS COMMANDED TO BE BAPTISED IN WATER FULLY IMMERSED.REASON BEEN IT WAS SHOWING THE APOSTLE, JEHOVAH HAD
NOW STARTED FOCUSSING THE HEAVENLY CALLING ON THAT CLASS OF PEOPLE,SO THE APOSTLE NOW HAD TO START PREACHING THE KINGDOM
HOPE TO THEM.
WHEN YOU RECIEVE THE BAPTISM OF THE SPIRIT IT CRIES OUT 'ABBA' IN ENGLISH FATHER (2COR 1:21;1JOHN 2:20,27;ROMANS 8:15;GAL 4:6).
IT'S AN INSIDE RESPONSE TO JEHOVAH WHILE BEEN IMMERSED WITH HOLY SPIRIT.IT MAKES YOU CRY OUT 'ABBA' INSIDE YOUR HEART.
THE CHIEF EVIDENCE OF YOUR ADOPTION TO HEAVENLY SONSHIP IS THE SPIRIT BEARING WITNESS WITH YOUR SPIRIT THAT YOU ARE A SON.
THE HOLY SPIRIT GOVERNS YOUR THOUGHTS.THE SPIRIT STAYS WITH YOU.ALL YOU CAN THINK OF IS THE HEAVENLY HOPE.YOUR THOUGHTS ARE NOT
YOUR OWN,THEY ARE IMPELLED BY GOD,YOU CAN'T GO CONTRARY TO IT,YOU'D BE GRIEVING THE SPIRIT WHICH LATER WOULD BECOME
UNFORGIVABLE.
YOU ARE LITERALLY GOVERNED BY HOLY SPIRIT CONCERNING THE HEAVENLY CALLING YOU FEEL IT.IT'S SO POWERFUL YOU CAN'T DENY IT.YOU
ARE FORCED TO THE HEAVENLY HOPE.YOU CAN SAY 100% JEHOVAH GRANTED THE CALLING.JEHOVAH DEALS WITH YOU IN A SOUND STATE.
THERE IS NOTHING EMOTIONAL,NOTHING.IT'S NOT LIKE I HAD AN EARTHLY HOPE BUT GRADUALLY GOD TOOK IT AWAY AND GAVE ME
A HEAVENLY HOPE.THERE'S NO SPECIAL GIFTS,SHAKING OF THE BODY.NO SPECIAL ATTENTION DRAWIN TO YOU IN ANY WAY.NO VISIONS.
NO NOTHING OF ANY SORT.
JEHOVAH GOVERNS YOU,DONT GET ME WRONG WE HAVE RELATIVE FREEDOM IF I CHOOSE TO PAINT MY LIVING ROOM PINK I CAN DO SO,I
CAN CHOOSE WHAT TO EAT,WHAT TO WEAR BUT CONCERNING THE HEAVENLY HOPE THE SPIRIT GOVERNS YOU.
THERE IS NO DOUBT.YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEAK TO NO ONE TO FIND OUT.IF YOU ARE CURIOUS ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON BEEN OF THE ANOINTED
THAT INDECATES DOUBT.IF THAT ANOINTED IS TRUE TO THE CALLING AND YOUR CALLING IS FROM JEHOVAH,YOU'S WOULDN'T NEED TO DISCUSS
THE FEELINGS OR HAPPENINGS OF BEEN ANOINTED.
JEHOVAH DOESNT DEAL WITH YOU IN A SPECIAL WAY,NOTHING POPS OUT DIFFERENT.YOU DONT HAVE MORE KNOWELEGE THAN OTHERS,YOU ARE
NOT BETTER THAN OTHERS AS A MATTER OF FACT HUMILITY IS UTMOST IMPORTANCE.THEY DON'T DRAW ANY ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.
BECAUSE JEHOVAH COMMUNICATES THROUGH HIS WORD THE BIBLE USING HIS HOLY SPIRIT,WHEN AN ANOINTED ONE READS SCRIPTURES
CONCERNING THEM AND THERE HOPE JEHOVAH BRINGS THE SCRIPTURE OUT TO THEM SO THEY KNOW THAT JEHOVAH IS SPEAKING TO THEM.
THERE IS NOTHING EMOTIONAL ,YOU KNOW ALL THIS TO BEING COMING FROM JEHOVAH,THERE IS NO DOUBT.
ITS NOT WHAT THE WT TEACHES REMEMBER OVER THE CENTURIES BEFORE THE WT ORGINISATION CAME TO BEEN THROUGH VARIOUS TIMES
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ANOINTED BY JEHOVAH GOD NOT BY WHAT THE WATCHTOWER TEACHES.THE WATCHTOWER DOES NO CHOOSING,ITS JEHOVAH
ALONE WHO CHOOSES.
CLAIMING TO BE ONE OF THE ANOINTED AND YOU AREN'T REALLY,YOU COULD BRING JUDGEMENT AGAINST YOURSELF IF YOU PARTAKE UNWORTHY
OF THE EMBLIMS.
IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A HEAVENLY CALLING GO SEEK ADVICE FROM AN ELDER IN THE CONGREGATION.THEY ARE THERE TO HELP YOU.
THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY IS THE ONLY ORGINISATION IN THE WORLD BACKED BY JEHOVAH.
TO THOSE WANTING THE TRUTH STOP LIMPING ABOUT,YOU'RE EITHER HOT OR COLD MAKE YOUR CHOICE.
COME LEARN OF JEHOVAH WHAT HE HAS FOR YOU,LEARN ABOUT HIS WAYS,JEHOVAH WILL OPEN HIMSELF UP TO YOU.
GO TO THE NEAREST JW COGREGATION NEAR YOU OR YOU CAN WRITE TO THE SOCIETY ON THE BACK OF A WATCHTOWER OR AWAKE MAGAZINE,
REQUEST FOR A FREE HOME BIBLE STUDY.
TO THE BROTHERS I SEND LOVE AND GREETINGS FROM DURBAN NORTH CONGREGATION, SOUTH AFRICA
THANKING YOU KINDLY
A SLAVE TO YOU
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cofty
Hi Welcome to the forum.
IF YOU FEEL WE ARE WRONG THEN DONT READ THE ARTICLES GO SEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF
Most of us here were JWs for many years. Many were pioneers, elders and bethel workers.
The difference between us and yourself is that we know both sides of the story, you only know one.
Stick around and ask questions. Oh and please turn off CAPS LOCK!
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LostGeneration
YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH? THERE ARE MANY LIES BUT ONLY ONE TRUTH.
So why does the Watchtower constantly change 'the truth'? It was either a lie then, or its a lie now, it can't be both.
Welcome to the site, keep reading!
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Lozhasleft
The WTBS organisation CANNOT be the truth. When they claim they are, they are calling Christ a liar. He said "I AM THE TRUTH...." John 14:6 what a tragedy that none of us saw this so obvious discrepancy before we got tangled up with them.
Loz x
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IAMNOBODYOFCONCERN
TO CROFTY
I LEAVE CAPLOCK ON DUE TO MY EYESIGHT I CAN SEE THE LETTERS BETTER WHEN I TYPE
WHAT HAPPENED EVERY ONE HAS A REASON? I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT IF YOU HAVE BEEN SERVING
JEHOVAH FOR ALONG TIME WHY ATTACK JEHOVAH.MANY LEAVE THE ORGANISATION AND FORGET HIS LOVE.
IF YOU LOVE JEHOVAH CONTINUE DOING WHAT HE REQUIRES OF YOU.TAKE YOUR OWN BIBLE KEEP YOUR CONSCIENCE
CLEAN, DO WHAT YOUR LOVE OF JEHOVAH SHOWS.KNOW ONE CAN JUDGE YOU. IF YOU KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN AND JEHOVAH
SEES YOU DO IT FOR HIM WHY SHOULDNT THERE BE AN EXALTATION.
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR JEHOVAH TO PUT SOME TO DEATH IF THEY NEVER NEW THE TRUTH ITS UNFAIR.
BUT HEY IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH AND YOU CHOOSE TO TURN AGAINST IT ...WHAT CAN I SAY.
SOMETIMES ITS BETTER YOU DONT GAIN TO MUCH KNOWELEGE YOU BRING YOURSELF INTO JUDGEMENT.
THE LESS YOU KNOW THE BETTER HEY.
BUT SERIOUS WHAT HAPPENED WHAT MADE YOU LEAVE?
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IAMNOBODYOFCONCERN
TO LOST GENERATION AND LOZHASLEFT
TELL ME WHAT IS YOUR VIEWS ON HOW THE WATCHTOWER IS GUIDED BY JEHOVAH
WHAT DOES JEHOVAH DO?
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Lozhasleft
I do not believe that the Watchower IS guided by Jahveh (the correct name for almighty God). He speaks to us individually now through His son, not any man made religion at all. (Hebrews1:2)
Loz x
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cofty
BUT SERIOUS WHAT HAPPENED WHAT MADE YOU LEAVE
When they changed the teaching about the generation in '95 I began to do some research. It soon became clear that the governing body were a bunch of lying, incompetent buffoons who don't know their arse from their elbow.
The changes they have continued to make since then have confirmed my conclusion.
How long have you been a JW? How much do you know about their long record of false prophecies?
Have you read the writings of Russell and Rutherford? It is not possible to know the history of the organisation and still have any respect for it.
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DATA-DOG
I agree with Annomaly.
" I think part of the reason many were relieved when they were told they were earthly class in the '30s was due to how the 144k class was portrayed. The 144k had the 'high' calling, they were to be joint-sacrificers with Christ, worthy, holy, be willing to give up their physicality/humanity like Jesus, totally devoted to the pursuit of improving their spirituality and character to become more Christ-like. This calling would have felt unattainable to a lot of regular people with families, jobs, etc. And then to have the secondary heavenly class portrayed as negligent, failures, somehow not as faithful - the also-rans.
These messages would have a deep psychological effect on the Bible Students. So when the 'negligent' heavenly GC class was done away with and they could be part of the Jonadab class, where there were none of the negative connotations attached, then I can imagine the BSs who felt somehow unsure or inferior would be overjoyed not to have that burden to be 'super-holy."
I knew that I should partake as a Christian from reading God's word. There were no voices, no visions. I simply stopped trying to deny what I was being told in the Gospels. Iamnobodyofconcern, please explain to me from the scriptures when the Heavenly calling ended. If it NEVER did, then who authorized Rutherford [ the original Faithful slave ] to close the door? It was obviously an errant teaching that had to be changed, otherwise how do explain the current GB, especially Mark Sanderson? God's word says that Christ is the mediator for ALL mankind. The GB say he is not. Who will you believe?
Also, you should start your own thread. Please vist JWstruggle.com or 21stcenturychristians with Bro Ed. You will find a different atmosphere. Keep in mind that many here have been burned by the hipocrisy of the Watchtower Organization. You are not authorized to judge anyone here. You need to focus on YOUR personal relationship with Christ. Do not believe a different doctrine than what was presented in the 1st century.
Also, why do you disobey the Organization/Jehovah by coming here? Do you belive that Jehovah will discipline the Watchtower society if they are guilty of wrongdoing, or are they immune. Where do YOU draw the line from following Jehovah and men? Would YOU tell the GB if they were taking a false step, or would you simply follow their lead no matter what? What would Jesus do? What would he expect YOU to do?
Favorite quote:
" EVIDENTLY THE HEAVENLY CALLING HAD COME TO ITS COMPLETION.
JEHOVAH HAD NOW CHANGED HIS CALLING TO AN EARTHLY HOPE USING HIS WORD
THE BIBLE AND HOLY SPIRIT."
He also had Beth-Sarim built during Great Depression,evidently.
DD