Personal Relationship with Jehovah?????

by Nessy 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan
    I remember how we were encouraged to cultivate a personal relationship with Jehovah. We were to think of him as our friend and to rely on him soley. I must admit, I just wasn't able to do that for some reason, and I still can't. Were any of you able to? Do you feel that way now?

    I have a personal relationship with my sister. We hang out together. We share the common experience of being raised in the same family. We have similar interests and keep up with what is going on in each other's lives. That is a personal relationship.

    To "admit" that you weren't able to cultivate(TM) a relationship with an invisible, silent deity is nothing to feel shame about.

    Many as part of their recovery from JWism go beyond questioning the dogmas of the Watchtower organization to questioning the value of the bible itself. Is it God's inspired word, or the history and mythology of an ancient people? Is Jehovah the almighty creator of the universe or just one of many ancient gods that Jews and other nations believed in?

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere
    Hi everyone. I'm new and this is my first post. When I was in the truth, I remember how we were encouraged to cultivate a personal relationship with Jehovah. We were to think of him as our friend and to rely on him soley. I must admit, I just wasn't able to do that for some reason, and I still can't. Were any of you able to? Do you feel that way now? I don't even pray anymore. No prayers at night before going to bed and no blessings before meals. They seem like empty rituals to me. Do any of you feel the same?

    You just described me to a "T". I've never had any "religious" experiences like most people seem to have. Such things have always been a mystery to me. Welcome to the board!

  • Lehaa
    Lehaa

    Welcome to the board.

    yes i did, still do, have a personal relationship with Jehovah. At times it was strong and times really weak.

    I never really prayed all the time, not that kind of person. I still pray now from time to time and am sure he understands the path i've chosen. I also think that he's really dissapointed in the damage that the JW organisation has done. I hope one day that he'll fix it but am unsure how or what he'll do. Still do believe in his qualities. Love, Justice, etc.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    It might be useful to have a visual aid:

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    Mortimer Snerd will be appearing in the role of YHVH...

    You can make him talk!

    You can make him dance!

    You can give him credit for "miracles" in your life!

    Amazingly lifelike!

    WTB&TS approved!

    Try our pray-as-you-go plan!

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    I've had bouts of feeling close to God. Hasn't been that way for a very long time, though, because I'm angry at how any loving God would allow all this wickedness to continue. However, my anger doesn't matter because who am I before such a great force? I'm less than dust, really!

    My resolve lately has been to just ignore God and go on living my life the best I can for its duration.

    DY

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    Since JHVH of the old testament only seems to be a Hebrew-centric jealous god with anger management problems, it's hard to want to have a relationship with him. Did the ancient Hebrews desire a relationship with Yahweh? Abraham seems to have been the only biblical character who can be considered having had some kind of friendship with the deity. Moses doesn't seem to have loved Yahweh, but rather constantly had to intercdede and in the end was cursed by the God he served into dying before he got to see the fruits of his own efforts. Give me Aphrodite, anyday..

    Christ/Krishna/Dionysius/Avalokiteshvara etc. is much easier, as both (they are basically variations of the same archetype) are friendly, if often misunderstood, and display all the qualities of a reality which is basically unknowable. We find some of these qualities to be both good (caring for the sick, the children, teaching various truths), or bad (bringing about death, not using powers to stop suffering). Then we also have mother figure archetypes (Mary Mother of God, Durga, Kali, "The Goddess", Mother Nature) which are missing in many religious practises, especially in some of the drier religions like Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormonism, Protestantism, and Islam.

    When you try to develop a relationship with these archetypes (won't go into whether they are real or not, as its not important), you are basically using them to see unto yourself. Know Thyself, as the gnostic maxim goes. What a person sees often depends on what sort of looking glass they use. I think you could find very easilly that, for instance, Jehovahs Witnesses who fixate a lot on JHVH, tend to be proud, arrogant, and easilly irritated. Those who fixate on Apostle Paul's writings, or on the saint himself (and saints/apostles are basically promoted to demigods now, especially since in JW religion they are considered to be ruling over the earth even know as Priest Kings), are probably very much into the almost Rabinnical rules of life. To them, whether they know it consciously, salvation is a goal that can be obtained by going through the rules, even if the rule is simply grace. Those who fixate about Pre-Revelations Jesus, probably are more into trying to develop love and compassion within themselves. Those who fixate on the Governing Body, got a twin-I beam in their eye.

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    Oh I forgot to say.. WELCOME TO THE BOARD, NESSE!

  • desib77
    desib77
    I must admit, I just wasn't able to do that for some reason, and I still can't.

    Hi....Welcome to the board.

    I could do it for about a day or two but then I would just forget to talk to him.....I would get busy with my life and forget. After assemblies and such I would be really pumped up spiritually and would come back home ready to get myself in shape...I would start studying my watchtower regularly, reading my bible and talking to God all day long (in my head of course)....but then it would stop...and life would take over until the next convention where I would get bashed for not having a personal relationship with Him.

    Desi

  • Dawn
    Dawn

    Welcome to tthe board!

    Funny you should post this now - I was just thinking about this same subject last night. I tried to have a relationship with Jah but found it difficult to "draw close" to someone who must might turn around and kill me and my children at Armageddon if I hadn't "done enough". I struggled with how to love someone who was so harsh, and as others have described the old testament YHWH, jealous and angry.

    I quit praying for many years and just went about life. A few years back I started reading my bible again and discovered a number of truths about Jesus and God that I had never been taught as a JW. I learned of a Jesus I never knew, and began to relate to him and want to pray directly to him - being that I still didn't feel comfortable with God. So I did - I started addressing my prayers to both Jesus and God. I felt much more comfortable doing that, and eventually was able to pray directly to God again. Of course, I no longer fear Armagedon and don't believe he will destory me for not "doing enough" so that could also contribute.

    He has answered many prayers - and many of those are answers that were beyond my own control - things I could not have subconcsiously MADE happen.

    I relate to many on the board here who feel it's next to impossible to have a relationship with someone who does not reciprocate a response - I also struggled with that. Recently I have seen responses, but it would be much easier to have a relationship if the other party would just appear and talk one on one with us.

  • codeblue
    codeblue

    Welcome to the board

    Yes, I have a personal relationship with Jehovah. Before fading and an active JW, he did answer my prayers. I still have a personal relationship with Jehovah...which is entirely different than having one with an organization..

    Codeblue

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