Personal Relationship with Jehovah?????

by Nessy 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    May you have peace! May I respond? Thank you!

    First, I must say that there is a reason you were not able to be close to "Jehovah" while in the Organization, which reason may have followed you out: no one can come to the Father except THROUGH the Son... and the WTBTS did not teach you how to do that. Why? Because they don't know how to do it, otherwise, they would.

    Your plight is not unique: many believe they seek but cannot find; many believe there is nothing or no one to find. Both are in error... and many hear will "howl and rip their garments," for my saying so. But what I say is truth. It is also truth that I can help you find the Way to God: I am not him... and I do not suppose that I can lead you to him. But... I am his servant, to all those calling out he responds... and invites to come to him. (NOTE: This post may be followed up by ridicule and naysaying. Please understand I take no offense and hope you take none, for that such response is perfectly natural... understandable: earthling man always decries and/or denies what is not known to him... understood by him... revealed to him... manifest to him... regardless of whether it is known, understood, revealed and manifest to another.)

    Dear one, there is only ONE way to know God, to see Him... hear Him... understand Him... have Him reveal Himself to you... manifest Himself to you... and that is through His Son and Christ. You CANNOT see God... you CANNOT hear God... you CANNOT know God... without seeing, hearing, and knowing... His Son. God is NOT revealed to you... or any man... or made manifest to you... or any man... EXCEPT by means of His Son. You cannot speak to God... unless you speak... through His Son.

    I will give you an example, the man Joseph, son of Jacob. That one, unjustly imprisoned in Egypt, later became second only to Pharaoh in Egypt... because HE... gave all glory to God. Although possessed of a gift like no one else, he acknowledged the Giver of such gift and, as a result, God exalted him.

    But that is not why I speak of Joseph; I do so because of this:

    Pharaoh was the owner of all that existed in the land, including all grain. So that when a famine came upon the land, when they became hungry the people had to seek sustenance from Pharaoh. But, I ask you... although the grain belonged to Pharaoh, to WHOM did the people go to ask and RECEIVE such grain? Was it to Pharaoh himself? Did they approach and literally enter in before Pharaoh and make request? Or was it to the one upon whom Pharaoh bestowed authority to DISPENSE such grain? By whose hand was it that the people actually ATE? Who APPROVED the family for provision of Pharaoh's grain?

    What you are seeking works in the same way: it is from God that you wish to receive... but it is through His Son that you must make request. For in the same way that Pharaoh bestowed "all authority" excluding his own soul upon the man Joseph, so, too, all authority... in heaven and on earth... has been given the Son of God.

    The "Society," however, taught you a different "way". They taught you that you could actually "climb up some other place," and enter before God: that you could either enter in on your own... or through them. They misled you, however, as they have misled millions. They lied.

    They... are not the truth. Never have been; never can be. For there is only ONE Truth... the Son of God, whose name is NOT "Jesus"... but JAHESHUA (Hebrew) or JOSHUA (English). "Jesus," dear one, is the English transliteration of the name "Ieosus," which means "Je (or Jah) is Zeus".

    My Lord's name... is JAH e SHUA... which means "JAH... Saves."

    JAH... is the name of the True God (Psalm 68:4)... which is why you/I/we say "hallel u Jah"... or "praise you, JAH." The description "JaHVeH"... which many have misrendered as "Yahweh"... means "JAH... breathes into existence"... or "causes to come into existence,"... "armies." Not military armies, or military might... but NUMBERS... such as angels... and Israel (think "myriads of myriads," or "sands of the sea").

    It is ONLY by going TO... and THROUGH the One "who comes in the name of JAH," can you have a personal relationship with God. For you must know THAT One... in order to know God. You must KISS THE SON... for he is the One whom God APPOINTED... just as Pharaoh appointed Joseph.

    HE, the Son and Christ of God... is the "copper serpent" that has been lifted up... so that we must not take our eyes off HIM. We, all of us who at one time adhered to the false teachings of the WTBTS... or ANY religion... were bitten... by "poisonous serpents," the "offspring of vipers,"... PHARISEES... religious leaders who neither serve God or know God... for they are not known BY God. We, all of us, who at one time adhered to the false teachings of the WTBTS... or ANY religion... must keep our eyes on... and LISTEN... to the One appointed by God to SPEAK to us.

    God USED to speak to us... by means of the Prophets, which ones wrote down what they heard. NOW, however, He speaks to us... by means of a SON.

    And contrary to what you may have been taught, what you may have heard, even what you may be told by some here... that One speaks still. To us. Each and every one of us.

    That we don't HEAR... is solely upon us. For God is righteous... and it is our OWN flesh that stands in the way of our hearing. For God... is a SPIRIT... and to worship Him... to HEAR Him... you must do so... IN SPIRIT... THROUGH a Spirit... Christ.

    Truly... there is NO other Way.

    I bid you the greatest of peace.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • got my forty homey?
    got my forty homey?

    I had no personal realtionship with Jehovah. The only time I "spoke" to Jehovah was when I was about to get busted for doing something bad by my parents. Other than that I just couldn't manage to talk with a unseeable being.

    Guess I didn't have the faith to move mountains or walk on water.

  • ellderwho
    ellderwho
    I remember how we were encouraged to cultivate a personal relationship with Jehovah.

    Welcome,

    Romans 8:6,7

    6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

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  • Obviously Secret
    Obviously Secret

    I had my times when I terribly cried out in prayer. Litteral tears down my face screaming to help me with all my heart and soul. I said God too, not Jehovah cause I never got a prayer answered when I used Jehovah. Man was it so heart-felt. He didn't really answer my prayers. I prayed for free brownies until I died. Just kidding. No I prayed to find the truth about EVERYTHING and the way so I can be closer to him. I think he may have half way answered my prayers. Cause I started to get on this site shortly after, but I drifted even farther away from being close with God since I found alot of crappy stuff about the bible. So I don't know. I get a greater feeling when I have a friend. Well not really a friend since I never really had a friend, but like an aquaintance. I get more happiness out of a human than God. And I guess I'm going to hell cause I didn't feel all great and dandy after I prayed. Oh well.

  • Pleasuredome
    Pleasuredome

    hi nessy and welcome.

    yes i feel exactly the same way as you about prayer, and i really dont feel guilty about not praying, and yet i'm still a spiritual person.

  • talesin
    talesin
    the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

    Yep, that's me. I am not subject to the law of Dog.

    Welcome, Nessy

    I was/am the same as you. It's very natural and, as PD said, one doesn't have to believe in God or pray in order to be a spiritual person.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Welcome Nessy!

    Your post describes my feelings toward a "personal relationship with Jehovah" to a tee. I was never able to do that and often felt guilty, especially in the face of my shortcomings (it bothered me knowing that the Big Guy in the Sky was watching my every move, including the not-so-good ones). Prayer was and still is, for me, nearly impossible.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    I said God too, not Jehovah cause I never got a prayer answered when I used Jehovah...

    "As respects my name JAHveh, I did not make myself known to them..."

    "As JAH, which is His name..."

    "You will by no means see me from henceforth until you say, "Blessed is HE... that comes in the name of JAH!"

    "She will give birth to a son and you must call his name JAHeShua (Joshua)..."

    Man was it so heart-felt. He didn't really answer my prayers.

    "If you remain in union with me and my sayings remain IN you, ask whatever you wish and it will take place for you..."

    "Remain in union with me and I in union with you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, in the same way neither can you, unless you remain in union with me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He that remains in union with me, this one bears much fruit; because apart from me you can do nothing at all."

    "Those in union with Christ... have no condemnation."

    "If anyone loves me... he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall COME to him and make our abode WITH him."

    He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood... remains in union with me."

    "Just as the Father has loved me and I have loved you... remain... in my love."

    "I give you a NEW commandment: that you love one another."

    "By this, all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves."

    I prayed to find the truth about EVERYTHING and the way so I can be closer to him.

    "I... am the Way... and the TRUTH... and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME."

    "Go in through the narrow gate..."

    "I am the Door..."

    "If you ask anything IN MY NAME, I will do it."

    "Come to ME, all you who are toiling and loaded down..."

    "Come to ME... and drink..."

    "This is my Son, the Beloved; listen... to HIM."

    "KISS... the SON."

    May you have peace... and ears to hear the Spirit AND the Bride when it is said to YOU:

    Come! ALL you who are thirsting, all you who are wishing... all you who are HEARING... COME! Take "life's water... free!

    Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    welcome Nessy,

    A personal relationship with Jehovah according to the WT is someone who dedicates all their time and energy to working for the WT. I never made that grade. I thought of God in the way I always did--someone who was loving and caring towards all of humankind. I finally had to admit that the WT God and the God I thought I was worshipping were 2 different beings. Now I am confused as to the nature of God.

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

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    Cybersista. You have obtaineth the truth. Yay verily, for it is written:

    One who has my commandments, and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him." -John 14:21

    Therefore, by the power invested in me by the Universal Life Church, and as an ordained minister and Reverend of same instituteion, I hereby take the liberty to display for you, the God of the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society.

    "Ye who shall asketh the Learned Ones to reveal the Inner Sanctum, I shall say to them, verily did I not cut and paste it to you? Get away from me, you workers of spamishness, for I have rejected ye, and ye shall gnash thine own teeth, until ye needeth affordable dental work. Forsooth, that is how it shall be, see if I don't. I will, right soon, too." - 2nd Pelliponisians 4:16

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