Oh god this makes me sick.............these people are f'ing crazy sickos hiding one another. I read this a few months ago and it still makes me sick. It just makes me so angry........................ARGGGGGGGGGG!!
Watchtower Murder Letter
by allpoweredup 35 Replies latest jw friends
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Frannie Banannie
New York law (NY CPLR 4505) provides that: "Unless the person confessing or confiding waives the privilege, a clergyman, or other minister of any religion or duly accredited Christian Science practitioner, shall not be allowed to disclose a confession or confidence made to him in his professional character as a spiritual advisor."
The Bible does not say you have to tell all you know.
Proplog2, I know you already know this, but the Ten Commandments clearly states "You must not bear false witness AGAINST your neighbor".....and....as we all know, a lie can sometimes be the NOT telling what you know that would harm your "neighbor" NOT to know. That would make it in some ppl's minds a "sin of omission".
They're supposed to consider themselves one big theocratic family, eh? Would you allow your family members to remain dangerously ignorant about old "Uncle Rochakokov", the child molester and rapist? Whoever said the "law" is perfect? JMO.
Frannie B
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Elsewhere
This was one of the first things that I read after DAing from the bOrg... it is a very powerful piece.
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Room 215
At the very least, the ethical thing to do would be for the elders who heard his confession to urge him to turn himself in to the authorities.
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ohiocowboy
New York law (NY CPLR 4505) provides that: "Unless the person confessing or confiding waives the privilege, a clergyman, or other minister of any religion or duly accredited Christian Science practitioner, shall not be allowed to disclose a confession or confidence made to him in his professional character as a spiritual advisor."
Proplog, Would the above be your consolation if the letter came from the congregation that you attend/attended, and that your family and others you know go to? And besides, that is NewYork law. Unless you are privy to where the actual letter to the society came from, and in which state the congregation is located, the laws could be different for that state. Fact is, once again, to "Save face", they want to hide anything they can so as to appear Spotless.
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blondie
OhioCowboy, that is correct, the WTS and the elders are quick to claim exemption under "clergy privilege" but at the same time they crow that the organization has no clergy-laity distinction. Quite hypocritical but that is not a surprise.
Blondie
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czarofmischief
to be honest, I can see their point - it isn't their job to enforce Caesar's law. Hell, maybe the guys that got whacked deserved it. Let the damn government enforce their own laws.
The difference between this and a child molestor? simple, really. A child that has been trained to seek protection from the congregation should receive it. But as for murders that occurred years before a conversion? Let caesar catch him if he can. What kind of murders were they? Not all murderers are the same. What if the victim WAS a child molestor? Who would complain then? Or if the "victim" was a spousal abuser or a stalker or somebody that raped the murderer's mother? Lots of people deserve to die, or at least, aren't mourned when they are gone.
The government is actually pretty good at catching people. The fact that they haven't chased this guy indicates to me that they don't really care about the victims. Which means they are probably scumbags, or the guy was a professional killer, good enough not to get caught. In which case the victims probably deserved it...
Cynically ravingly yours,
CZAR
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proplog2
I didn't post the quote about clergy confidence law in NY as a universal law. Some states have it some don't. The reason clergy are given this privelege is that it encourages people with serious problems to seek help. Sometimes confession is the first step toward righting a wrong.
Suppose someone tells you he committed a murder. Does that in fact mean he really did kill someone? People may imagine they killed someone. Suppose you inform the authorities that a person confessed to a murder. Later the person says he didn't and then accuses you of slander?
Don't jump on the bandwagon just because you hate Jehovah's Witnesses. These things can be more complicated than you think.
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Junction-Guy
The watchtower society will do anything and everything in their power to uphold their "spotless" image, even if it means covering up child molesting and murder, for they surely wouldnt want reproach brought on jehovah's "clean" organization. thats it plain and simple and in a nutshell
Dave
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allpoweredup
Thanks for the comments. Keep them coming.