Is there proof of Evolution out there? help needed

by trumangirl 68 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&pageNumber=1&catID=2

    (15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense - Scientific American)

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/news/scientific_american.asp

    15 ways to refute materialistic bigotry:

    A point by point response to Scientific American

    by Jonathan Sarfati

    Response to ?15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense? by John Rennie (Editor), Scientific American. 287(1):78?85, July 2002; Feature article on Scientific American Web site, 17 June 2002.

    20 June 2002

  • IronGland
    IronGland
    Why didn't he mention that the "blueberry farmer" also has two degrees in science?

    There's a degree in "Science'.?

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Hooberus,

    Perhaps before you get into one of your cut 'n paste frenzy's you might answer the point I raised after your last cut 'n paste frenzy.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/74061/1194958/post.ashx#1194958

    Thank you - HS

  • Xander
    Xander

    The FALSE information is present!!!

    first it makes no sense to me that something can ever arise from nothing...so I assume and believe in some original something...

    Google. Look up 'Hawking Radiation'.

    That is all.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    lol...There's quite a lot of evidence that the universe did have a beginning. From background radiation to the fact that the universe is expanding. The Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity (Hawking, Penrose) states that time and matter came into existence at the same moment, at the Big Bang.

    So the beginning of the universe is hardly refuted among scientists, though some try to get around it by using wild speculation that is wholly without evidence....Faith?

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Hooberus, Sarfati's article is just horrible. But I won't try to convince you; it's just pissing into the wind.

    AlanF

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    crazy151drinker <----------------------------- Christian

    crazy151drinker <----------------------------- Knows that idiots evolved from Creationalists who were the first species of ignorant morons

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    I am a more highly evolved life form than, say, gumby.

    My thought processes are more complicated, I adapt better to reality, and I am not a democrat. Democrats are actually a throwback, a vestigial communist, if you will, a useless outgrowth, a failed experiment in storing political toxins in a harmless hippy form.

    Har har har... VIVA BUSH! Even if it's only to piss off the lousy Irish stinkheads.

    CZAR

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    ThiChi

    Some claim Occam's razor can be used to support creationism over evolution. After all, having God create everything is much simpler than evolution, which is a very complex mechanism...

    Oh for god's sake Thi Chi; some might say what you say above, but then they don't understand Occam's Razor. Ngh! Have the honesty to admit your belief in Creation is presuppositionalistic.

    I'm surprised you're still flogging the dead horse, I mean Behe...

    http://www.google.com/custom?q=Behe&sa=Search&sitesearch=www.talkorigins.org

    hooberus

    If you are seriously open-minded why not consider the 6-day creation position?

    Because it's easy to prove with a saw, sandpaper and a microscope that there were trees growing before 'day one'. And trees still standing which were growing before the Flood.

    You've still not refuted this stuff hooberus, you just ignore it and pretend it doesn't matter to your theory of creation.

    But without refuting a Bible literalist/YEC paradigm is irrelevent as it is falsified with that and by thousand other strands of evidence.

    And you say this is a strawman?

    However, a growing number of recent attempts to remove evolutionary theory from the schoolroom, in favor of a "scientific" version of the Biblical Genesis story, demonstrates that the anti-evolutionist movement is still alive and well in America.

    So, are you saying the ID movement (which laughs at the YEC possee, by the way) is in no way associated with the Creationist movement? If you can show there is no connection between the two groups, fine. But if there is then accusations of ID being re-warmed Creationism in a Trojan Horse are fair.

    Oh, yeah, there's still the big problem that the description of ID refutes ID... pity...

    And was blueberry farmer his profession? If they listed people by their profession (and as one is called a vet that seems fair) then what are you complaining about? And what, pray, are his degrees in and where are they from?

  • hooberus
    hooberus
    However, a growing number of recent attempts to remove evolutionary theory from the schoolroom, in favor of a "scientific" version of the Biblical Genesis story, demonstrates that the anti-evolutionist movement is still alive and well in America.

    This statement makes it appear that creationists are attempting to replace the teaching of evolution with some form of creation, when in fact most creationists have proposed teaching evidence for both evolution and creation in the classroom (or at least allowing the freedom to do so).

    Even if "evolution only" is to be taught shouldn't both pro and con evidences for the theory be given to students? Many in the evolutionary establishment oppose even the teaching of problems with evolution (let alone any alternatives).

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4360news8-8-2000.asp

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0110news2.asp

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