LOCAL JW BUSTED FOR KIDDIE PORN

by new light 61 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  Lady Lee

  A newer study

  STATISTICS

  • A 1994 National Institute of Health survey of 453 pedophiles, conducted by Dr. Gene Abel, showed these criminals were collectively responsible for the molestation of over 67,000 children. That's an average of 148 children per individual pedophile.
  • An estimated 5.1% (1 of every 20 persons) will serve time in prison during their lifetime. (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
  • "62.5% of 108,580 persons released from prison in 1983 were re-asserted for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years."
    (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
  • "2/3rds of Sex Offenders in State Prisons had victimized a Child.' (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
  • "60% of 234,000 sexual offenders in 1994 convicted of rape or sexual assault were under conditional supervision in the community."
    "The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual offenders was less than 13 years old." (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
  • "4 in 10 inmates serving time in jail for intimate violence were on probation or parole at the time of the violent attack on the intimate (someone they knew)? (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
  • 80% of inmates serving time in State Prison for intimate violence had injured or killed their victim." (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
  • "96% of female rape victims in 1991, younger than 12 years old, knew their attackers. 20% were victimized by their fathers or step-fathers." (US Department of Justice)
  • Children younger than 18 were the victims in almost 20% of the violent crimes committed by State Prisoners. 50% were 12 years old or younger. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
  • 25% of prisoners who victimized children had prior convictions for violent crimes. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
  • Between 1976 and 1994, almost 37,000 children were murdered. 66% were less than 1 years old and 58% of those from 1 to 4 years old were killed by beating with fists, or blunt objects or by kicking. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
  • "Family Members or Acquaintances commit most of the Child Murders." (Bureau of Criminal Justice Standards.)

  U.S. Department of Justice
  Office of Justice Programs
  Bureau of Justice Statistics
  Child Victimizers: Violent Offender and Their
  Victims--Executive Summary
  March 1996, NCJ-158625
  Full text with tables available from:
  Bureau of Justice Statistics Clearinghouse
  800-732-3277
  Box 179
  Annapolis Junction, MD. 20701-0179
  FAX Number (for report orders and mail list signup only): 410-792-4358

  Child Victimizers: Violent Offenders and Their Victims: Executive Summary Jointly Published with the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention

  By Lawrence A. Greenfeld
  BJS Statistician
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  confusedjw

  1994 National Institute of Health survey of 453 pedophiles, conducted by Dr. Gene Abel, showed these criminals were collectively responsible for the molestation of over 67,000 children. That's an average of 148 children per individual pedophile.

  I'm sorry I think someone on this study misplaced a decimal point. 67,000 children by 453 pedophiles?

  That would mean that in a town my size one molestor would molest each kid on the 10 baseball teams we have. 140 kids - on average.

  Even among jw's, and the two witness rule a person would not get away with this many kids, because once there are two witnesses - to two different attacks - they will be DF'd.

  Everyone knows this right? If two kids come forward and each claim that a brother molested them alone on different occasions then you have two witnesses by rule.
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  stephoness

  Even among jw's, and the two witness rule a person would not get away with this many kids, because once there are two witnesses - to two different attacks - they will be DF'd.

  Actually that's not true. I did research on this and according to the Quotes website and the Elder Handbook the two witness rule only works on the SAME offense. And the Eklder book also says children do not necessarily count as witnesses and can be disregarded because of their age. So the only way a JW would get DFed for sure for child molestation is if he decided to molest a child with another adult JW in good standing in the room watching.
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  amac

  at this point there is no reason to believe JWs have more child abusers than any other group. But there is absolutely no reason to believe they have less either.

  I totally agree...

  Actually that's not true. I did research on this and according to the Quotes website and the Elder Handbook the two witness rule only works on the SAME offense.

  Stephoness -

  Actually, they have changed that policy and now consider 2 seperate witnesses from seperate offenses as being 2 witnesses. I don't have any pubs at my fingertips, but do a search on the forum and I'm sure you will find it as others have posted it in the past I believe.
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  Lady Lee

  That would mean that in a town my size one molestor would molest each kid on the 10 baseball teams we have. 140 kids - on average.

  Take the research that says 6/10 females will be abused by the time they are 18 and the number of kids on 10 teams and what will you get?

  One of my abusers had 6 victims that I know of and those were just the ones related to me. - a period of 4 years And we know he moved on to have access to a lot of other kids

  My father, another one of my abusers started with me but we know he moved on to a step sister and got a job later on as a school crossing guard. shivers

  Another abuser in my family abused all 11 of his children - that we know of. He had easy access to dozens of more kids in the family.

  3 abusers and 19 known victims (I am in the first two groups). None of those 3 men spent one minute in jail although my father was arrested but was out on bail withing an hour.

  And those are just the ones we know of.

  Stories of the children in group homes, orphanges, residential schools, jack the figures up immensely. What is coming out now is clergy, teachers, coaches, other people who work with kids and are in a position of power and authority and have easy access to literally hundreds of kids who will be silent
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  Big Tex

  Even among jw's, and the two witness rule a person would not get away with this many kids, because once there are two witnesses - to two different attacks - they will be DF'd.

  And what makes you think that? You make a great many assumptions, one being that every child comes forward. Realize most do not.

  In my own situation growing up, my father molested all three of his children, and only one came forward.

  Realize also that the child who steps up and makes the accusation is put under tremendous pressure and criticism from others. You also do not take into account the devastating psychological damage done to the child by the offender. These are factors which make it more difficult to report an act of abuse.

  Finally, what makes you think being disfellowshipped would stop further molestations? What makes you think the elders would report the offender to the police? I have personal knowledge of an offender who molested at least 4 children, only 1 came forward, the elders in the hall refused to contact the police and pressured the parents of the child to NOT contact the police. (Despite the elders' interference, the offender was convicted and sent to prison). This occurred very recently, so despite any alleged progress, the Witnesses have to make a quantum leap before anything approaching your statement is accurate.
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  Big Tex

  I don't mean to belabor the point, but there is a great deal of confusion among Witnesses regarding the two witness rule. Many believe it requires two eyewitnesses to every individual act. Many believe it requires two eyewitnesses in addition to the victim. The Society has never made any effort to specifically outline to the elders the exact parameters. As a result many elders, and the rank and file, have different interpretations as to what "two witnesses" means. In such a situation, it is very easy for an offender to fall through the cracks.
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  confusedjw

  Actually that's not true. I did research on this and according to the Quotes website and the Elder Handbook the two witness rule only works on the SAME offense.

  And what makes you think that? You make a great many assumptions, one being that every child comes forward. Realize most do not.

  Sorry, but I have to insist that I know what I'm talking about and not making assumptions. I served as an elder and sat on judicial cases and did many investigations and it was very clear at least from the 80's onward that if two people came forward concerning two different events that counted as 2 witnesses and this is stated plainly in the elders book. These 2 witnesses would, of course, most likely be the victims and not in addition to the victims. If this is not clear to some elders they need only consult the book.

  I served on one case that involved molestation and am aware that some numbskullery has taken place in trying to pressure parents not to go to the police or in some cases not agressively protect people. Don't get me wrong I am on the side of the victims here.

  I'm just saying that I have some trouble with the stats in that report and that what is being said about the 2 witness rule is not accurate.

  I think it's terrible that any of this has taken place, but to point out that a molestor has victimized 4 children or 6 is a far cry from the "average" being 143. Maybe that really is the average, but I find it hard to believe. I hope it isn't
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  confusedjw

  Actually that's not true. I did research on this and according to the Quotes website and the Elder Handbook the two witness rule only works on the SAME offense. And the Eklder book also says children do not necessarily count as witnesses and can be disregarded because of their age. So the only way a JW would get DFed for sure for child molestation is if he decided to molest a child with another adult JW in good standing in the room watching.

  Well I don't know about your research, but here is what the Elders book says:
  

  What kind of evidence is acceptable?
  There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons
  repeating what they have heard; no action can be taken if
  there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15;Jol1ll 8:17)

  Confession (admission of wrongdoing), either written or
  oral, may be accepted as conclusive proof without other
  corroborating evidence. (Josh. 7:19)

  Strong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evi-
  dence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the
  accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of
  the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known
  homosexual ) under improper circumstances, is acceptable.

  The testimony of youths may be considered; it is up to
  the elders to determine if the testimony has the ring of
  truth.

  The testimony of unbelievers may also be considered, but
  it must be carefully weighed.

  If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of
  wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident,
  their testimony can be considered.

  Such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is
  preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence
  of wrongdoing.

  So as it states that while it is preferable to have witnesses to the same occurrence it is not necessary. And many are disfellowshipped in this manner.

  What are you guys saying, that anyone making an accusation should be enough to convict someone? I actually know of two sisters who falsely claimed molestation - the reason - attention. Yes they were on the edge emotionally, but no one knew it at the time. And yes I know that by far the most who claim molestation really were and it's in my heart to protect them.
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  wednesday

  again, does anyone know why none of the links mention he is a JWS? or did i mis it?