Jesus and Jihad (NY Times op/ed regarding fundy 'Left Behind' books)

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  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    I really enjoyed this -

    Jesus and Jihad

    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF alt
    Published: July 17, 2004

    I f the latest in the "Left Behind" series of evangelical thrillers is to be believed, Jesus will return to Earth, gather non-Christians to his left and toss them into everlasting fire:

    "Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and a yawning chasm opened in the earth, stretching far and wide enough to swallow all of them. They tumbled in, howling and screeching, but their wailing was soon quashed and all was silent when the earth closed itself again."

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    These are the best-selling novels for adults in the United States, and they have sold more than 60 million copies worldwide. The latest is "Glorious Appearing," which has Jesus returning to Earth to wipe all non-Christians from the planet. It's disconcerting to find ethnic cleansing celebrated as the height of piety.

    If a Muslim were to write an Islamic version of "Glorious Appearing" and publish it in Saudi Arabia, jubilantly describing a massacre of millions of non-Muslims by God, we would have a fit. We have quite properly linked the fundamentalist religious tracts of Islam with the intolerance they nurture, and it's time to remove the motes from our own eyes.

    In "Glorious Appearing," Jesus merely speaks and the bodies of the enemy are ripped open. Christians have to drive carefully to avoid "hitting splayed and filleted bodies of men and women and horses."

    "The riders not thrown," the novel continues, "leaped from their horses and tried to control them with the reins, but even as they struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted and their tongues disintegrated. . . . Seconds later the same plague afflicted the horses, their flesh and eyes and tongues melting away, leaving grotesque skeletons standing, before they, too, rattled to the pavement."

    One might have thought that Jesus would be more of an animal lover.

    These scenes also raise an eschatological problem: Could devout fundamentalists really enjoy paradise as their friends, relatives and neighbors were heaved into hell?

    As my Times colleague David Kirkpatrick noted in an article, this portrayal of a bloody Second Coming reflects a shift in American portrayals of Jesus, from a gentle Mister Rogers figure to a martial messiah presiding over a sea of blood. Militant Christianity rises to confront Militant Islam.

    This matters in the real world, in the same way that fundamentalist Islamic tracts in Saudi Arabia do. Each form of fundamentalism creates a stark moral division between decent, pious types like oneself ? and infidels headed for hell.

    No, I don't think the readers of "Glorious Appearing" will ram planes into buildings. But we did imprison thousands of Muslims here and abroad after 9/11, and ordinary Americans joined in the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib in part because of a lack of empathy for the prisoners. It's harder to feel empathy for such people if we regard them as infidels and expect Jesus to dissolve their tongues and eyes any day now.

    I had reservations about writing this column because I don't want to mock anyone's religious beliefs, and millions of Americans think "Glorious Appearing" describes God's will. Yet ultimately I think it's a mistake to treat religion as a taboo, either in this country or in Saudi Arabia.

    I often write about religion precisely because faith has a vast impact on society. Since I've praised the work that evangelicals do in the third world (Christian aid groups are being particularly helpful in Sudan, at a time when most of the world has done nothing about the genocide there), I also feel a responsibility to protest intolerance at home.

    Should we really give intolerance a pass if it is rooted in religious faith?

    Many American Christians once read the Bible to mean that African-Americans were cursed as descendants of Noah's son Ham, and were intended by God to be enslaved. In the 19th century, millions of Americans sincerely accepted this Biblical justification for slavery as God's word ? but surely it would have been wrong to defer to such racist nonsense simply because speaking out could have been perceived as denigrating some people's religious faith.

    People have the right to believe in a racist God, or a God who throws millions of nonevangelicals into hell. I don't think we should ban books that say that. But we should be embarrassed when our best-selling books gleefully celebrate religious intolerance and violence against infidels.

    That's not what America stands for, and I doubt that it's what God stands for.

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  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    That's right everyone! Jesus LOOOOVES you... but if you piss him off he will flay you like a trout and toss your lifeless body in the street.

    Ain?t he just the nicest fella you ever met?

    Why does he remind me of Saddam Hussein? Oh! now I remember... He rewards those who blindly do what he commands and kills everyone else.

    Isn't that what the robots in I-Robot were trying to do? Protect all the humans by killing off everyone who did not fit a narrow definition of "good".

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Actually part of my slow breaking free from JW-think was realizing that JW's were just fundys of a different stripe, and I was embarrassed to realize that my beliefs were similar to the fundys who line up to buy the latest Lahaye Armageddon book.

  • L_A_Big_Dawg
    L_A_Big_Dawg

    I have not read any of LaHaye's books on the End Times. I personally think they are a stretch of good Biblical exegesis.

    If I were to write a book on the End Times it would be entitled, Still Here.

    LABD, of the post-millenial, class

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    I enjoyed the Left Behind books...I don't agree with them theologically, but I enjoyed them.

    The point of the article is off a little. If the Left Behind series involved Christians seeking out and beheading non-Christians, the point might be well taken.

    In defense of the books, if you read them, God gives people EVERY CHANCE IN THE WORLD to convert...world wide miracles, angels appearing, etc...those that end up in this pit CHOOSE not to be with God.

    Finally, this is all symbology..it represents that we as sinners seperate ourselves from God...I'm sure all this is lost on those of you with no religion, but to compare this with Radical Islam is intellectually dishonest.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan
    If the Left Behind series involved Christians seeking out and beheading non-Christians, the point might be well taken

    If the point is to contrast Christianity with Islam here, I would say yes that fundy Christianity (in theory anyway) doesn't call upon the believer to kill the infidel the way fundy Islam does. But the underlying mindset is the same, IMO.

    "The riders not thrown," the novel continues, "leaped from their horses and tried to control them with the reins, but even as they struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted and their tongues disintegrated. . . . Seconds later the same plague afflicted the horses, their flesh and eyes and tongues melting away, leaving grotesque skeletons standing, before they, too, rattled to the pavement."

    Symbology? LOL

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    I stick to my original story. The people being described dying here are people actively engaged in the battle of Armagedon against God...knowing who God is they choose against God and take Satan's part. The scene describes the author's concept of what will happen when Jesus appears and everyone can see him...it's not biblical in it's description at all...you'll notice in the bible the battle of ARM is never fought...that's cuz Jesus already won...on Calvary and in his resurrection.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Christians Fanatics believe skyman will do their dirty work for them. Islamic Fanatics believe skyman wants them to do his work for them.

    Both sets, Christians and Muslims, envisage a world where all those who disagree with them are destroyed.

    This is not unique to religion. Totalitarians of both a religous and secular bent tend towards such belief structures.

    It is those who cannot live peacefully with their fellow man who are the danger to the world today.

    If a paedophile justified reading fictional material where a third party harmed others to fufill their fantasies and create an ideal situation, people would despise him for it, even if he never did any harm himself.

    A Muslim or a Christian justifiying reading fictional material where a third party harms others to fufill their fantasies and create an ideal situation is just as dispicable.

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Yeru, do you believe that Jesus is going to appear and destroy the unbelievers? Prior to 9/11 fundy protestants like the ones who read and write these sorts of books reserved most of their vitriol for Catholics like you, and in their theology Catholics were the first ones in line for hell. Seems that our post-9/11 world has made for some strange bedfellows.

    Abaddon, spot on as usual. I get a sick feeling in my stomach every time I see these stupid books at Wal-Mart or wherever. Written and consumed by folks who would love nothing more than a totalitarian fundy Christian America.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim
    Both sets, Christians and Muslims, envisage a world where all those who disagree with them are destroyed.

    Actually, the Christians I know do NOT believe this. I don't.

    Yeru, do you believe that Jesus is going to appear and destroy the unbelievers? Prior to 9/11 fundy protestants like the ones who read and write these sorts of books reserved most of their vitriol for Catholics like you, and in their theology Catholics were the first ones in line for hell. Seems that our post-9/11 world has made for some strange bedfellows.

    Abaddon, spot on as usual. I get a sick feeling in my stomach every time I see these stupid books at Wal-Mart or wherever. Written and consumed by the same folks who would have us all believe that the world is 6000 years old, that the biblical flood covered the whole earth, etc.

    You and AB need to get out more. Main stream protestants and Catholics don't forsee or look forward to the "destruction" of anyone. IF you were getting out more you would know that most Evangelicals and most Catholics are concentrating on common ground rather than our very real differences.

    To be fair I started reading the Left Behind series long before 9-11...like I said, theologically I have issues with it, but it's a good read.

    Ya need to begin to differintiate between Fundamentalists and Evangelicals....Fundies demand the world is 6000 years old, Evangelicals do not demand it.

    Your time as Witlesses has jaded your view of all religion...which is a shame.

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