by DanTheMan 37 Replies latest social current
Your time as Witlesses has jaded your view of all religion.
Not "all" religion. Just this sort of "we're right/you're wrong and you're going to HELL!" (or in the case of JW's "you will soon be taking a neverending dirt nap!") nonsense spouted by Christian fundys, evangelicals, and Islamic Jihadists.
With the exception of SOME Buddhists and the Unitarians I thought ALL religion was a "we're right you're wrong" approach.
Dan, did you know that in 2000 years of it's history the Catholic Church has never OFFICIALLY declared any one individual as being in hell...not even Judas. The Catholic position is NOT that only Catholics go to heaven, in fact, it doesn't even limit heaven to Christians. Catholic Doctrine declares the A) God is the judge, not humans, as to salvation, B) that God can save anyone He wants, C) those who do NOT know Christ can and will be saved. So, in the Catholic view there will be Muslims, animists, buddhists, etc in heaven. Those in hell are there by choice. Lot's of evangelicals share this same view.
Like I said, the Witlesses have left you jaded about religion.
Yeru
Both sets, Christians and Muslims, envisage a world where all those who disagree with them are destroyed.Actually, the Christians I know do NOT believe this. I don't.
Oh Yeru, how can you be so dishonest with yourself?
There are many Christians in the USA who believe in their survival during the destruction of those who disagree with them. Anyone who believes in the rapture believes in this. Any Jehovah's Witness believes this.
Whether you or your friends believe it or not is irrelevent. Please try to follow the discussion. There are Christian Fanatics in the USA today who do (believe it). Lots of them. Just like some Islamic countries have Muslim Fanatics who believe that Islam will sweep the world by the sword.
They are both nasty, nasty people. Some of the Muslims actually commit acts of violence (we'll ignore the Christians who do as they are undeniably a smaller group at this stage in history), but both sets are waiting for you, me, everyone who disagrees with them to die, by their hands or those of a homocidal skyman.
Oh, by the way, have you read any genocide-based snuff novels recently? I wondered if you'd got tired of the religiously-based snuff novels.
I mean, what the hell difference is there between a neo-nazi reading fictional accounts of what they dream of and a fanatical Christian doing the same?
A good read? Pass me a bucket... if they were from a Muslim POV you'd be screaming the house down. But of course, it's okay for you to enjoy reading as entertainment what you would condemn a Muslim for writing, as you're always right even when you can't muster an argument to prove it.
With the exception of SOME Buddhists and the Unitarians I thought ALL religion was a "we're right you're wrong" approach.
We weren't talking about people arguing rights and wrongs. Please try to follow the discussion.
We were talking about a book based on religously inspired fantasies of mass death.
To be fair, most faiths have moderated their positon from 'we're right and if you don't agree you will die' in an attempt to stay relevent and credible in the modren world. Including the Roman Catholic church. They will have some 'get out of jail free' doctrine that will be nice and vauge and basically say 'what do we know, ask god'.
Dan, did you know that in 2000 years of it's history the Catholic Church has never OFFICIALLY declared any one individual as being in hell...not even Judas.
Intellectual dishonesty. For centuries the threat of hell was a major control used by the Catholic Church. Will you deny that? If so, make sure you can back it up with in-depth proofs.
The Catholic position is NOT that only Catholics go to heaven, in fact, it doesn't even limit heaven to Christians.
Not any longer - as per my comment above. It used to.
But we're not talking about Catholics per se. We are talking about the scum who believe rubbish like that. Muslim scum. Christian scum. Hindu scum. Racist scum. Political scum.
Jaded about religion? You'd have to be fool not to be! "Religion" generally stinks. They're contrived methods of controling people using equivalents of the Santa Claus story.
God and belief are of course different from "religion", and I find people whose views of god and whose beliefs are refreshing. So, wrong on that one Yeru, just for a change...
AB
You are so intellectually dishonest and biased I don't know where to begin. Or even if I should. Rather than deal in facts you color the whole world in your anti Christian hate.
Oh Yeru, how can you be so dishonest with yourself? I'm not at all dishonest with myself...sorry.
There are many Christians in the USA who believe in their survival during the destruction of those who disagree with them. "Many: is a big term...it doesn't equal MOST...or ALL as you would like to imply. Anyone who believes in the rapture believes in this. Not all who believe in a rapture believe that God will Physically destroy those oppossed to them...many believe those who choose AGAINST GOD will be automattically translated to hell, which is where they've chosen to be.Any Jehovah's Witness believes this. JW's don't believe in the rapture...neither do Catholics either.
Whether you or your friends believe it or not is irrelevent. Except that this is the MAJORITY VIEW out there oh knowledgeless one. Please try to follow the discussion. There are Christian Fanatics in the USA today who do (believe it). So, in your jaded BIGOTED view, anyone who belives this is a "fanatic" so so tolerant of you. Lots of them. Just like some Islamic countries have Muslim Fanatics who believe that Islam will sweep the world by the sword. See, Oh Bigoted one, the BIG DIFFERENCE is that the overwhelming vast majority of Christians that do believe in this, do NOT believe they should or can do the killing. The Muslim fanatics DO BELIEVE in killing those that disagree. I didn't expect a hater like yourself to draw such a distinction...still, a little intellectual honesty on your part would be refreshing if unexpected.
Yeru, do you honestly think people don't notice that if someone uses a negative term or phrase to describe your behaviour, you tend to turn it back on them within a few posts, even if you don't know what it means or if it doesn't apply?
Classy.
Fortunately I sincerely believe that people are not as stupid as the ridiculous distortions and fallacious argumentation you resort to.
It's a pity that either you do not realise how deceitful you are, or that you think you're fooling people.
There are many Christians in the USA who believe in their survival during the destruction of those who disagree with them. "Many: is a big term...it doesn't equal MOST...or ALL as you would like to imply.
More lies from Yeru. Is aid many, not most, and I think many, not most or all. But you have to lie, don't you?
Anyone who believes in the rapture believes in this. Not all who believe in a rapture believe that God will Physically destroy those oppossed to them...many believe those who choose AGAINST GOD will be automattically translated to hell, which is where they've chosen to be.
Yeru, it means they are DEAD, burning in hell. Big difference betweenn that and destruction. NOT.
Any Jehovah's Witness believes this. JW's don't believe in the rapture...neither do Catholics either.
I didn't say Catholics did. ANd I didn;t say that JW's believed in the raptue. What reading grade do you test out as or are you just an incorrigable liar?
Whether you or your friends believe it or not is irrelevent. Except that this is the MAJORITY VIEW out there oh knowledgeless one.
What, you mean like I implied when I said many (not most) Christins (again, a sub-group of the general population)? Please try to follow the discussion. Saying what I said is not impressive.
There are Christian Fanatics in the USA today who do (believe it). So, in your jaded BIGOTED view, anyone who belives this is a "fanatic" so so tolerant of you.
Yeah, I'm intolerant of religious fantics who read books about everyone other than the people who agree with them dying. Bad me!
Lots of them. Just like some Islamic countries have Muslim Fanatics who believe that Islam will sweep the world by the sword. See, Oh Bigoted one, the BIG DIFFERENCE is that the overwhelming vast majority of Christians that do believe in this, do NOT believe they should or can do the killing. The Muslim fanatics DO BELIEVE in killing those that disagree. I didn't expect a hater like yourself to draw such a distinction...still, a little intellectual honesty on your part would be refreshing if unexpected.
Yeru. I've already stated the differences, all you're doing is repeating what I said.
Funny that you end up turning into an echo of what I say... anyway, I'm off home.
In defense of the books, if you read them, God gives people EVERY CHANCE IN THE WORLD to convert...world wide miracles, angels appearing, etc...those that end up in this pit CHOOSE not to be with God.
Yup, and so did Saddam Hussein... but if anyone refused to kneel to his authority, he would have the person executed.
The god of the bible is just a glorified dictator.
Elsewhere,
Saddam Hussein isn't God inspite of what he told you.
AB,
See, you're bringing your cultural bias into this discussion again. "Burning in hell" most of the christian denominations I have studied do NOT believe in a fire and brimstone hell as they are accussed of by the WTS and now you.
Yeru, it means they are DEAD, burning in hell. Big difference betweenn that and destruction. NOT.
AB,
In your philosophy EVERYONE IS DEAD, big difference, huh...NOT.
In your philosophy EVERYONE IS DEAD, big difference, huh...NOT.
Big difference between accepting that our temporal existence may just be a temporary and unexplainable phenomomenon that ends completely at death, and clinging to archaic notions of an anthropomorphized sky papa who torments his wayward creations for all of eternity. BIG difference. Unbelievably gigantic difference.
As for your comment regarding my experience with the witlesses making me jaded towards all religion - my response would be - your indirect experience with the witlesses has failed to enlighten you to the heart of bloodlust that permeates the true believing JW, evangelical, fundy & radical Islamist, making them essentially different variations of the same tired song.
Big difference between accepting that our temporal existence may just be a temporary and unexplainable phenomomenon that ends completely at death, and clinging to archaic notions of an anthropomorphized sky papa who torments his wayward creations for all of eternity. BIG difference. Unbelievably gigantic difference. Well, first of all, my concept of God, and in fact most christians with whom I am familiar do not believe god torments ANYONE for eternity. The torment is self imposed, those in hell CHOOSE to be thre.
As for your comment regarding my experience with the witlesses making me jaded towards all religion - my response would be - your indirect experience with the witlesses has failed to enlighten you to the heart of bloodlust that permeates the true believing JW, evangelical, fundy & radical Islamist, making them essentially different variations of the same tired song. That you have the unmitigated gall to compare JW's, and evangelicals with radical Islam completely destroys your arguement. There is NO MORAL EQUIVALANCY...NONE...between a goup of people who go around cutting off heads and those who believe that God is just and will mete out justice...which seems to be your whole issue...justice. On the one hand we have the radical muslims who have a time honored history of cutting off heads in the name of Allah...on the other hand you have evangelicals, Jews, and mainstream Islam that believes God will mete out justice.
Which is worse, those who take their idea of justice into their own hands and kill their religious enemies, or those who wait on God to deliver justice?
Saddam Hussein isn't God inspite of what he told you.
And neither is Jesus or Jehover.
