Spirituality

by StinkyPantz 116 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • logansrun
    logansrun

    What does spirituality mean? Well, what does spirit mean? Some define spirit as a disembodied personage of some sort. "Spirit" in Hebrew is the word ruach which simply means breath or wind. What comes to your mind when you think of wind? Is it something that is tangible like a rock? Can you really put your mind around what wind is?

    Spirituality is a very difficult concept to define, as it is intangible and ethereal. Personally, it's kind of like defining pornography. As a famous Supreme Court Justice put it, "I can't really define it, but I know it when I see it."

    B.

  • peacefulpete
  • heathen
    heathen

    Spirituality is obedience to the WTBTS . If you achieve the look on that face you have reached true spiritual enlightenment . LOL

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    Spirituality is a very difficult concept to define, as it is intangible and ethereal. Personally, it's kind of like defining pornography. As a famous Supreme Court Justice put it, "I can't really define it, but I know it when I see it."

    Great point. I think we all experience "spirituality" ... some do more than others, and it's more than a mere "religious" experience.

    Did you ever have tear or two come to you over some music, or poetry, some scene in a movie, a wonderous sunrise or sunset, the birth of a baby, etc. -- remember those feelings? Something has touched more than your "physical" sense, they've touched your spirit -- IMO they are spiritual experiences.... they speak to our higher nature.

  • Xena
    Xena

    Mega and Double Edge pretty much summed up my feeling regarding spirituality.....

    but I think I understand how you feel SP, sometimes I felt a bit cheated when I would read about other people's spiritual experiences and wonder why nothing like that happened to me....am I not worth as much as they are to God or whoever or whatever is out there? I think I'm a pretty good person.....

    then I realized things like that do happen to me....I had just closed myself off from recognizing them, it's nothing major just little things that show me I'm hooked up at times I had to let go of a LOT of JW baggage though....and preconceived notions...

    baby steps, baby steps....

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan
    sometimes I felt a bit cheated when I would read about other people's spiritual experiences and wonder why nothing like that happened to me....am I not worth as much as they are to God or whoever or whatever is out there?

    One of the hardest things, it seems, for jws to shake, or fundamentalists / western white folk for that matter, is the idea of "deserving".

    God gives to both the good and bad (Jesus Christ) and so are we to do the same (if we are able, and don't judge) - nature teaches us, plainly, that the good and wicked both recieve from God - what they do with it is their own business, free will - but the wicked usually reject growth and accept the material stuff, and make off with other people's as well.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Great thread and posts. Little if anything to add.

    Our innerest experience is also the most external; the most "spiritual", the most "material" as well: ek-stasis, or the feeling of connection with everyone and everything, which we may experience sometimes.

    It questions our ego yet gives it its true ground.

    God and the gods are only a shadow of this.

    "Spirituality", a word for our want (in the double sense of what we miss and desire).

    The spirit groans within and without ourselves.

  • little witch
    little witch

    Hi StinkyPantz,

    My definition of "spirituality" is, How to feel comfortable in the world without losing your sense of self. Now I realize that may differ from others opinion, but that is just what it means to me.

    Spirituality to me means, how I connect to others. It is the common denomonator of humanity.

    For me, it does not involve ghostly figures floating in outer space, or grandfatherly figures sporting silver beards and white robes.

    I feel certain you are aware of your spiritual side, but are insecure in recognizing it. No body can name it for you. It has many different names. To let another label it for you will harm you in some way. My wish for you is that you discover it for yourself, and express it outwardly to others. Because we all have it, it is just expressed and understood in different ways.

    I think every person has a spiritual aspect to share. It is just a matter of focusing inward and finding it. Once you find it, you will exude it to others. I think it is not something you are born knowing, but something that must be developed and grown over time.

  • gumby
    gumby

    Paduan,

    God gives to both the good and bad (Jesus Christ) and so are we to do the same

    If god gives......why doesn't he also prevent? He gives life supposedly to a woman who's baby will starve to death before it reaches one years old. Doesn't make sense. Does god EXPECT the lady to get off her ass and get some food for her kid? Where will she get the food.....pray for it? Those women pray all the time, and STILL, their babies die.

    God also made flesh eating bacteria if he made everything....also deadly viruses. Does he expect man to die until he finds a cure for it.....which he has been TRYING to do?

    Man has put more effort into trying to solve world problems than god himself it appears.

    Gumby

    Gumby

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    I think spirituality is observed in the inexpressable, so I don't think I could adeqately explain what it means to me. I always loved this story, I think it points the way:

    "That night in 1931, J. R. R. Tolkien and C. S. Lewis were strolling over the grounds of Magdalene College after dinner, listening to the water in the river, to wind rustling in the leaves. They were talking about myth, and Lewis said-rationalist that he still was at that time, before his conversion to Christianity-that "myths were lies and therefore worthless, even though breathed through silver." "No, they're not," argued Tolkien, just as a rush of wind sent leaves scattering all around them with a hush of mystery. Tolkien was a Catholic and a firm believer in the power of myth. "Look at those trees," he cried as they walked down the path, "We say the word tree and think only of some vegetable organism. We look at stars and have in mind a ball of inanimate matter moving on a mathematical course.

    But the first people to use those words, he said, saw things differently. Imagine the early Celts who passed here before us. "To them, the world was alive with mythological beings. They saw the stars as living silver, bursting into flame in answer to the eternal music. They saw the sky as a jewelled tent, and the earth as the womb whence all living things come. To them, the whole of creation was 'myth-woven and elf-patterned.' " 1 And they weren't far wrong, he added.

    Tolkien went on to suggest that Lewis was stumbling over Christianity because he wanted to accept it only as an abstract system of thought. "Receive it as story!" he said. They went on to talk about the mystery of myth and metaphor and faith until three o'clock in the morning."

    Fantasy and Geography of Faith By Belden C. Lane, October 1993

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