WT makes everything a conscience issue (page 2)

XQsThaiPoes

Has anyone thought this out in JW logic. Lets use whole blood as an example.

If the elders Never find out:

You die nothing happens. You will be ressurected in the new order and have 1000 years to work on being perfect.

You live offend Jehovah or Jesus (I forget which one they say likes blood) pray for forgiveness, and you get forgiven.

If the elders find out:

If you take the blood and live. You get get DAed, and a chance to restablish your self in the congregation.

If you take the blood and die. You get DAed (Wait can they DA a corpse?) You will be ressurected in the new order and have 1000 years to work on being perfect. You might not get a memorial at the kingdom hall or a talk by an elder but you wont care you are dead.

If you live and refuse blood:

You come home hopefully with out permanent organ damage. You may get a part on the circuit assembly. You may increase or decrease in rank during the situation

If you die and refuse blood:

You will be ressurected in the new order and have 1000 years to work on being perfect.

SO using JW logic the blood issue only matters if you live how twisted is that. The same thing applies to fornication, murder what ever. So ingeneral if you wana sin and be a JW be sure you die imediately after. I wonder how this chalks up to suicide. Because your sin would kill you, but you are dead so you are forgiven?

A Paduan

"WT makes everything a conscience issue" but there are rules about who's conscious you're allowed to use.

They cannot abide people thinking for themselves - it's the core thing - if you don't think like them, you're poison.

TallTexan

Sometimes I think that they love it more than they love Jehovah.

Hmmm...really? <jk> A little sarcasm there. Their idea of 'love for Jehovah' is that they can dictate what they want to the organization and that, because it comes from them, it's gospel and therefore must not be questioned and obeyed. And 6 million people do that. I think I'd get a little addicted to that too....

TallTexan

It's really none of the business of a religious body to make enforcements in those areas

AMEN!! The problem w/ the WTS is that they fail to understand that we EACH have a reckoning before God and Christ when 'our time' comes. If our conscience allows us to defraud, drink, fornicate, whatever, then we must be responsible for that to God - NOT TO THE WTS!! There were a handful of things that are mentioned in the New Testament that are absolutes to not do - immorality, homosexuality, idolatry, debached lifestyle, etc. According to the Bible, then, EVERYTHING else really is a conscience matter as long as it does not offend our brothers. Remember, Paul and Jesus both said that love is the only law, and that love would not permit us to do something that offends (or stumbles) someone else. Of course, that means that it would only stumble them if they knew about it. Therefore, if a course of action would stumble someone, but our conscience would permit it, then it would be allowable as long as we didn't make an issue out of it or make it public knowledge. Because ultimately, we are responsible for our actions ONLY to God and Christ. Not some set of religious laws set out by a self-appointed prophet body or a body of 'elders' who are much quicker to 'punish' then to help tend a wayward sheep.

I thought the points that Ray Franz makes about all this in 'Christian Freedom' are excellent. The scriptures nowhere outline a 'judicial body' to 'police' the congregation and impose harsh laws on it. The counsel Paul gives is to 'confess your sins to one another' so that each may help the other. However, as a JW, if you confess your sins to anyone other than an elder, that person is going to tell on you anyway....aren't they totally disregarding a Bible principle? Hypocrisy? In the WTS? No...get out of here!

micheal

Disfellowshipping is really the backbone of the watchtower because people will do almost anything to not be isolated and shunned by their families. So the wt needs to have this in order for them to hold their power and control over the "flock". That is why they will always have these commands or rules to follow.

kj

Then it would be a religion, instead of the cult that it is.

kj

Snapdragon

The Latter Day Saints (Mormons) do this and it seems to work well for them. I've always thought they had a lot more personal choice than the Witnesses. However they do still disfellowship some of their own members, so there is some point of reckoning. Unlike the Witnesses, though, they keep that knowledge private, only between their bishop and the one in trouble.

How cool would that be? My family wouldn't be ripped apart at the seams. I can't even imagine.

~Snap

Erich

Because your sin would kill you, but you are dead so you are forgiven?

...ThaiPost

There is a contradiction, I never can understand. You presumably get resurrected one time with ALL your memories and experiences stored in the "new brain" you will have, the org says. Okay. But the next problem: Your deeds (and sins of course too!) you`ve done while you were living became stored otherwise too: Look at thousands of pictures, recordings, letters, articles or postings you wrote into your computer (the CD`s will survive too). And besides, your deeds (and sins) you `ve done are stored then in all the "new brains" of your resurrected friends, acquaintance, relatives and so on.

How can anybody say your sins are forgiven with your death, and there would begin a new chapter of live (the 1000-year-period) where ALL IS FORGOTTEN WHAT YOU EVER HAD DONE ??

No I cannot believe this. If you had been a child molester in 2001, and you would get a resurrection in 2560 because you died before armageddon;-( then your environment will be entirely informed about your SINS. Okay! And they will get treated from your environment in a kind they are aware of your sins you made 2001, and you will get tested severely. Thats absolutely sure!

E.

shamus

Just because everything's a conscience matter doesn't make it right. When something is based on complete bullsh*t, making doctrines a 'conscience matter' is meaningless.

Bloodguilty persons are to be destroyed, are they not?

A Paduan

There were a handful of things that are mentioned in the New Testament that are absolutes to not do - immorality, homosexuality, idolatry, debached lifestyle, etc.

Absolutes - ie. for the jw conscience. For others, things may not be that way

immorality - spiritual immorality - eg jwism
homosexuality - spiritually effeminate - eg jwism
idolatry - paying homage to a non-existant / man made god - eg jwism

and so on.

I believe those "absolutes" are used to seek a kingdom according to the flesh

WT makes everything a conscience issue

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