Are Academic Ability And Intelligence One And The Same?

by Englishman 29 Replies latest jw friends

  • Sunnygal41
    Sunnygal41
    7. Validate other people's feelings. Show empathy, understanding, and acceptance of other people's feelings.

    New age crap! Who comes up with these things?

    Rule # 7 gets you nowhere and makes you a slave to the other person's feelings.

    Robyn, actually it doesn't. Just applying compassion, and accepting that these people feel this way, does not mean you have to take this on as personal baggage or play rescuer or whatever. You are just allowing for another's unique feelings and experience/take on life, and continuing to acknowledge that they have the right to that, just as you have a right to yours.

    Terri

  • Xena
    Xena

    No. And I think people who judge you based on Academics are ignorant.

  • Valis
    Valis

    Well X, if I put your statement into context then I guess we need to decide who we are talking about. Perhaps you mean being judged on the basis of not going to college at all. If so I agree with you. If we are talking about students, then I would say that they do and should get judged and graded accordingly. That is one of the things that makes it hard as an instructor, because I have some people who understand the material, but can't take tests to save thier lives. Becoming a good test taker is IMO one of those "academic" things people learn how to do. I could list other things like becoming a good researcher, writer, critical thinker. All of which ARE academics, not just going to class and turning in work like an automaton. It also becomes much harder when you get a wide range of people in a class who have different needs. This is where flexible cirriculum can either make or break a student's classroom experience.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • Xena
    Xena
    Perhaps you mean being judged on the basis of not going to college at all.

    Yes that is what I ment. I'm sorry I wasn't clearer Valis

  • Terry
    Terry

    For two things to be the same you have to be able to subsitute one for the other without a dissonance.

    You were able to ask the question only by separating Academic Ability and Intelligence.

    A definition of each of those would be most helpful. After all we cannot measure anything without a commensurable standard; a ruler.

    Back in the days of the original Academy you had an association of people asking questions of each other and going through a process of discovery. Socrates mostly asked pointed questions that isolated the statements of others and pointed to flaws that invalidated their assertions.

    Today an academic is associated with scholars in some institution of learning such as a college and the degree to which they are accepted or rejected by their peers is a matter of orthodoxy.

    Notice I have not mentioned "intelligence" in any of the above?

    I like the Forrest Gump approach to intelligence. If Stupid is as Stupid does is true then the opposite of that must also be true. Intelligence is as intelligence does. In my definition of intelligence there has to be an action and a result to intelligence. Idle chatter doesn't count.

    The ability of an Academic is usually measured by how well they teach and what they publish.

    I'd take the ability to teach above the ability to publish. The students who come away from a Professor's lectures on fire with questions and the desire to learn more have just encountered intelligence.

    The bottom line? Intelligence results in changes. Those changes can be in things or people. But, an improvement results. Intelligence cannot be ignored or idle.

    An Academic is not idle and impacts students. The net result of that impact determines how intelligent the academic is.

    Is that clear as mud or what?

    If mine was an intelligent comment there will be a positive reaction and further stimulus. If my comment just lies there like a turd on the hissing summer lawn----the opposite applies.

    Terry

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    NO

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    Terry I have to agree with you. Now I would consider my mother to be a very smart person...but she did still apply herself...not in college but in other aspects of life. To me, schooling is a way to apply oneself and if you are smart, you would apply yourself.

  • Robdar
    Robdar
    Robyn, actually it doesn't. Just applying compassion, and accepting that these people feel this way, does not mean you have to take this on as personal baggage or play rescuer or whatever. You are just allowing for another's unique feelings and experience/take on life, and continuing to acknowledge that they have the right to that, just as you have a right to yours.

    Terri, you are free to believe in rule number 7 if you choose. I do not choose to.

    Robyn

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    I have brothers that were "torch honor" students, scored very high on IQ tests and still remain staunch JW's. That should answer your question!

    carmel

  • avengers
    avengers
    Dyslexia is a common example. That condition impairs a person but also gives them some great advantages over others too.

    Sirona.

    Could you elaborate? I have known several dyslexic persons, and fail to see what great advantages they have over others.

    Andy

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