Are Academic Ability And Intelligence One And The Same? (page 3)

Fe2O3Girl

I always did well in school. Although I did not go straight to university, by studying part-time for seven years after I started work, I graduated with a second class honours degree in Industrial Chemistry. Had I not left a cult, got divorced. lost two grandparents and had a very painful relationship break-up on top of the divorce, as well as skipping lectures to go shopping, maybe I would have got a better degree.

Well, the number of times that people who weren't following a course of further education told me that brainy people had no common sense, or that being academic wasn't the same as intelligence, it must be true.

It is a fact that not all intelligent people are academically successful, for various reasons. I believe that a massive factor in this is the early influence of teachers. If your maths teacher was an indecipherable tyrant when you were 11, you might just come away from that experience with a dislike of maths, and telling yourself that you are "no good" at maths.

HOWEVER, I strongly believe that with the right nurturing, ALL INTELLINGENT PEOPLE HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR ACADEMIC SUCCESS.

I don't believe the "brainy people have no common sense" catchphrase. It is what people say when they can't bring themselves to say, "Hey, you are very clever. You are learning things I don't understand. I am glad you are enjoying increasing your knowledge."

I don't believe that intelligence and the ability to treat others with kindness and respect are mutually exclusive. I have met arrogant, unkind, intelligent people and arrogant, unkind, stupid people.

Sirona

Fe

I don't believe the "brainy people have no common sense" catchphrase. It is what people say when they can't bring themselves to say, "Hey, you are very clever. You are learning things I don't understand. I am glad you are enjoying increasing your knowledge."

Yes! I know! I walked around forever thinking I had ZERO common sense because I sometimes got top marks. It was something a certain member of my family used to say regularly, so as a child I believed him.

Nowadays I think I'm not the most practical person but I at least know how to function in life and act sensibly!

As for you, you are one of the most intelligent people I've ever met.

Sirona

like the Forrest Gump approach to intelligence. If Stupid is as Stupid does is true then the opposite of that must also be true. Intelligence is as intelligence does. In my definition of intelligence there has to be an action and a result to intelligence. Idle chatter doesn't count.
The ability of an Academic is usually measured by how well they teach and what they publish.

Terry, with respect, I think that is total bollocks. There are highly intelligent people who perhaps do not teach or publish and who may engage all day long in idle chatter. They may love to discuss things and have a wonderful grasp of complex things. Just because they don't "DO" much doesn't necessarily mean they're unintelligent. They might just be an intelligent eccentric hermit.

Avengers:

Dyslexics tend to have enhanced abilities in other areas. see http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030726/FCDYSL/TPScience/

Quote:

Simply put, dyslexics do not appear to sort through information in a linear, sequential way. Instead of doing one thing and then another, they do a variety of things at the same time, very quickly. Their technique is almost a blueprint for being a visionary or a strategist or, in different eras, a seeker of safe places in the jungle.
Many excel at spatial perception. Dr. Sherman was recently involved in a study comparing the spatial abilities of dyslexics and non-dyslexics that found the former were much faster at a key skill: identifying "impossible figures," or forms that could not logically be put together (such as optical illusions or the images M.C. Escher painted). Dyslexics could understand instantly that these figures were flawed.
Over history, many people now understood to be dyslexics have made bold advances in science, art, music, politics and sports. Among them are Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Alexander Graham Bell and Winston Churchill.
"We could produce a high percentage of individuals who are really contributing to society in quite special ways," says Dr. Sherman.
Although dyslexics shouldn't rule out any line of work because of their condition, their heightened sense of spatial perception may lead them to gravitate toward composing and performing music, athletics, carpentry, architecture, art, abstract math or surgery.

Sirona

avengers

Sirona.

Over history, many people now understood to be dyslexics have made bold advances in science, art, music, politics and sports. Among them are Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Alexander Graham Bell and Winston Churchill.

Thanks. In other words these famous people were dyslexic? I don't know if I can believe that.
It could be that I have a different understanding as what the meaning of dyslexy is though.
The persons I know that are dyslexic absolutely do not fall in the category of these famous persons.
I'll do some more research before forming an opinion.

Andy

StinkyPantz

dys·lex·i·a ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d
n.

A learning disorder marked by impairment of the ability to recognize and comprehend written words.

Avengers-

What's your understanding of the term?

Country_Woman

No

But, for Academic scholing, you have to be intelligent and have a lot of self-dicipline.

Intelligence alone meanes nothing (when it comes to school results.)

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Like Avengers, I fale to see why dyslexia would give you an advantage above other people.

I know it is a learning dysfunction, it is taking a lot of dicipline to overcome all the troubles involved (for the student and his family) but I don't think that the geneality of Einstein and the other mentioned are thanks to this dyslexia - more in spite of.....

I know several dyslexia people who aren't genious at all - only intelligent people overcoming a handicap.

Sirona

Avengers,

It turns out that Einstein may not have been dyslexic. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=114700

However Leonardo Da Vinci definately was: http://www.skfriends.com/theinternetdomain/

Leonardo da Vinci, Portrait of a Dyslexic Genius
Leonardo daVinci was a great painter, designer, scientist, futurist and thinker. He also had the gift of dyslexia.
One remarkable indication that Leonardo was dyslexic is in his handwriting. Leonardo was constantly sketching out his ideas for inventions. Most of the time, he wrote his notes backwards. Why did Leonardo write from right-to-left, in mirror image? Although unusual, this is a trait shared by many left-handed dyslexic people. Most of the time, dyslexic writers are not even consciously aware that they are writing this way.

Sirona

DanTheMan

How about that Ken guy on Jeopardy, crushing the opposition night after night with his formidable knowledge and uncanny recall of everything under the sun. Smart guy, you'd say, and in some respects, yes he obviously is.

But a lifelong devout Mormon. What a fool, you'd say, and in some respects, yes he obviously is.

I think there's different kinds of intelligence. Take a guy like Michael Jordan or Chuck Yeager. Not academic guys, but possessing a certain sort of "in-the-moment" intelligence that allowed them to go where no one had gone before in their respective professions.

Or how about a brilliant coach or military leader. Strategic intelligence, or the ability to motivate people, seem to be whole other areas where a person who is not lettered could be brilliant nonetheless.

Nobody in their right mind would ever have voted for Einstein to be president.

myauntfanny

I'm not even sure what intelligence is. Whatever it is, I'm guessing it helps with academic ability but is not the same.

Gretchen956

If intelligence = IQ, then no. My IQ tests in the genius category and yet I have ADD. This makes academics a struggle for me as well as keeping track of things, short term memory, and other things. Yet with a tutor I could pull off a 4.0, it just took longer for it to get through because my frontal lobe works differently from others.

~~New age crap!~~ Who comes up with these things?

Why do you feel it is necessary to insult another person's belief system? I usually enjoy your posts for the most part although I don't agree with everything you say, but that is just insensitive. As for your argument that it makes you a slave to another person's emotions, that is just not true. In "acknowledging" them you aren't buying them or taking them for yourself. In my training in facilitation and coaching I have learned that everyone wants to know that what they are feeling is valid, its inherent in us as a species. Doesn't mean that you own their feelings, or that you agree with their feelings, just that you understand that they HAVE those feelings.

So anyway, I understand it isn't your cup of tea. You a virgo by any chance?

Sherry

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