Do You Actually Believe In The "Power of Prayer"??? (page 3)

LittleToe

Min:You're showing your hand early. That's not like you.
You normally let a question run for a while, before responding

Stones, etc., are tools that focus points the mind.
Do you believe in the power of the mind?

The bottom line is I hope that no one suffers from sickness. When we see a friend or loved one in dire straits, we want to do something---ANYTHING! There's nothing wrong with that, of course. We can do whatever our hearts impel us to do. In my opinion, some things---you can't do anything about.

LittleToe

Never took you for a defeatist

minimus

The healing power of stones is bull---t to me, LT. I do believe in mind over matter, LT.

Carmel

We are trained to "connect the dots" i.e. make causality relationships between certain activities and/or events. I personally find myself being trapped into that dimension being educated in hard science. I think it is a challange for materialists to get beyond this paradigm and allow for cause and effect to occur without spacial or temporal proximity. It's not an easy process, but one I've had some fleeting success with. Before anyone trashes the idea, they should spend a little more time thinking throught the possibilities and actually giving it a try. Prayer is not like a slot machine that you pull the handle and get an immediate pre-conceived action. Australian scientists have been doing some interesting studies on the cumulative effects of prayer on healing. Can't remember where I read the material, but its conclusion was that other persons praying for a person can have a positive effect even if the person is unaware of it.

carmel

BluesBrother

For all those years as a dub I believed in the power of prayer.. yet never did I really have faith in a personal answer to my prayers. "Why should God change things just to suit me?" was my reasoning. It seemed that those granted miraculous escapes, in the experiences, were wanted alive to do something special.. Those of the rest of us normally faced reality pretty quickly.

Nowadays I cannot help thinking that old Demosthenes had it about right:-

The easiest thing of all is to DECEIVE one's self; for what a man wishes he generally believes to be TRUE."

That has got nothing to do with a persons right to pray to God, for comfort or any other reason . It is a personal choice. BTW we should never have brought the illness of any one person into this. A discussion in principle should not name anybody

minimus

I agree with you BB. That's why I expressed myself "early" on. We value our dear friends that have gone through so much. No one is trying to make the question a personal one against anybody!!!!

wednesday

I hope God is listening b/c if "only the strong survive", if good does not prevail over evil, if i thought that God was influnced by money and stauts in life, or being popular, well, i'm not sure i'd want ot live in a world that i had to relie just on the judgment of men .

but i do see where i do not make any sense.

LittleToe

Seems that I'm gonna spend the whole day apologising today
I just tacitly questioned the timing of this thread, that's all.

Seeing as it's opened up into "belief" in general, what's the additional harm?

JT

WHY CAN'T WE JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE? IT FEELS LIKE ANOTHER BELIEF OR DISBELIEF IS BEING PUSHED ON THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, "THEY MUST BE SHOWN THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS".

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THIS is an interesting comment---- in view of the FACT the believer esp believers of christaintity are under orders from god to "push" the message to others, so one of the core requirements as a christian is to CONVERT FOLKS, yes to show others the errors of thier ways as the poster so niclely cited.

non-beleivers do not have a core dogma or purpose or mandate "FROM GOD" to convert others to their views--they merely state what thier personal views are on a matter,

but the believer INVOKES that his views are those of god and if you reject his views you are rejecting god and worthy of death-

believers have a long historical record that if one doesn't let them show them the errors of their ways they have be known to take a few lives to make point "now why could they just leave folks aone"

the question that the thread ask was ---do you really believe in the power of prayer,---

and many have merely commented at how they see many of the contridictions in a process that is suppose to help folks when they need it the most ---------has repeately failed to help folks at such times

if you had a car that started sometime and other times it didn't , would you be wrong to merely point out that sometime you can rely on Ole Besty and other times she might put in down when you need it the most.----------- like driving out in the middle of nowhere and the engine cuts off

well for the women being raped , the children being abused and folks suffering at the hands of another , for them prayer didn't help them-

they prayed and they still got killed, not to much power in that prayer regardless of how one wants to dress it up-

if one wants to believe xyz , fine with me and most folks,

but when others want to believe xyz many believer views them as heading to death at the hands of god himself, i can't think of one NONBELIEVER who has viewed a believer who at the end of the day is heading to death in a fiery hell, but i certainly have talked to a ton of believer who view others who don't share thier views as such

after being in wt for 30yrs that mindset no longer appeals to most of us, THE OLE _ "Join us and live, if not YOU DIE"

IT get tired and worn out after awhile

Do You Actually Believe In The "Power of Prayer"???

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