by Terry 89 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Pole,
I think you should start a thread on socialism to get a wider variety of the definitions of socialism.
A good point. Last time I counted, there were over thirty different types of socialism defined. This goes to an important point outlined earlier in this thread, that is, that often the terms 'socialism' and 'capitalism' are used not to define political inclination, but more as some sort battle cry - 'us against them'.
Best regards - HS
"You Ain't Done Nuthin' If You Ain't Been Called A Red
When I was just a little thing I used to love parades. With banners, bands, red balloons, and maybe lemonade. When I came home one May Day, my neighbour's father said, "Them marchers is all commies. Tell me kid, are you a Red?" Well I didn't know just what he meant- my hair back then was brown. Our house was plain red brick- like most others in the town. So I went and asked my momma why our neighbour called me red. My mummy took me on her knee and this is what she said, "Well ya ain't done nothing if ya ain't been called a Red. If you marched or agitated, then you're bound to hear it said. So you might as well ignore it or love the word instead. Cuz ya ain't been doing nothing if ya ain't been called a Red." When I was growing up, had my troubles I suppose. When someone took exception to my face or to my clothes. Or tried to cheat me on the job or hit me on the head. When I organized to fight back, why the stinkers called me Red But ya ain't done nothing if ya ain't been called a Red if you marched or agitated, then you're bound to hear it said. So you might as well ignore it or love the word instead. Cuz ya ain't been doing nothing if ya ain't been called a Red. When I was living on my own, one apartment that I had. Had a lousy rotten landlord Let me tell you he was bad. But when he tried to throw me out, I rubbed my hands and said, "You haven't seen a struggle if you haven't fought a Red!" And ya ain't done nothing if ya ain't been called a Red. If you marched or agitated, then you're bound to hear it said. So you might as well ignore it or love the word instead. Cuz ya ain't been doing nothing if ya ain't been called a Red.
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Unionism is a legitmate tool of capitalism. Why shouldn't we organize our labor and regulate the supply in order to increase our profits? Because it isn't fair to the "owner" of the company? Screw him! He screws us on a daily basis.
We produce a product called labor - and we deal it out at negotiated rates as opposed to the scattered efforts of individuals. If you can incorporate and reduce your liability when you screw up, then we can unionize and increase our profits. It's fair. By making unions illegal you would be interfering with a private contract between consenting adults - the laborers who agree not to work except at the negotiated rates. Oh, you poor corporations, being made to actually pay market value for our labor, instead of the oligarchically determined rate of exchange.
I livei n PIttsburgh. Our oligarchy has almost destroyed this city.
CZAR
czar,
Yes, Big Labor has it's corruptions and greed. But, don't you think that the corporate world operates under the same premise? Enron? Martha?
In 1975 the average executive at a Fortune 500 company made 40 times as much as the average employee in his company. Now that figure is over 400 to 1.
Czar, you are correct to point out the problems with so-called "leftist" ideas like unions and welfare, but it behooves you to turn your critical eye at the guys you support every now and then. It's called "intellectual honesty", okay?
B.
Does Czar's paragraph read differently on different computers? Logan's comments have me cornfused :S
Czar, you are correct to point out the problems with so-called "leftist" ideas like unions and welfare, but it behooves you to turn your critical eye at the guys you support every now and then. It's called "intellectual honesty", okay?
Talk about seeing what you expect to see, Logansrun. I just posted a huge dissertation on why unionism is a legitimate and desirable function in a capitalist society. I said that it was a method of harnessing the capitalist engine to spread the wealth around. All good unionism does is redistribute the profits, NOT hinder their creation, why should I object to that?
I think you owe me an apology. ha ha ha... I'm' going to eat this with a spoon and a glass of beer.
Apologize, dammit! On your knees! HA hahahahahaaa!
CZAR
Czar,
Not only I agree with what you wrote re: Trade Unions, but I thank you for pointing out that the natural trend of unleashed capitalism is to practical oligarchy.
lol...Brad,
You fell into that one like a........what is the opposite of a smart bomb?
Best regards - HS
Not only I agree with what you wrote re: Trade Unions, but I thank you for pointing out that the natural trend of unleashed capitalism is to practical oligarchy
Santorum has lost my vote over his corporate suckupishness. Look at what USairways has done to Pittsbrugh, and you'll see the inherent difficulties of unfettered capitalism.
What Ayn Rand and her electronic missive poster, Terry, failed to realize, is that people can screw up ANY system because they are people. The system should serve them, not the other way around, and anybody that fails to realize the greed inherent in EVERY human heart hasn't looked within himself very carefully. Put a laborer in the CEO chair and he'll start doing the same things. It's only human nature. You can't change it and you can't beat it. Only one guy thought it was possible to change people, and it got him nailed to a tree. And ghandi got popped by one of the very people he fought to free. And Yitzhak Rabin...
what is the opposite of a smart bomb?
An intellectual bomb?
I love you brad, but you're mine now... hhahahahahahaaa!
CZAR
hem hem...
I'm going to take a nap now. The world had better be a better place when I wake up, Bradley... heh heh heh...
CZAR
