I'm done. Read coc, now just have to figure out the way out for all of us...
Questions
by 2evil 65 Replies latest jw friends
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nowisee
you will be in my thoughts and prayers.....
best wishes, nowisee
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jgnat
2evil, I am a Christian (not-JW) married to a Jehovah's Witness. The big lie the Watchtower society lays on is that they have the "Truth". The second big lie is that all other Christians are hopelessly corrupt. This brew of doctrines keeps many in, and those who leave, rudderless.
I am here to say we are not as bad as the society paints us. If they have been so duplicitous in so many other areas, could they be about this as well?
You may find your sea legs by reading the bible plain, without the assistance of the Watchtower Materials. Start with Hebrews.
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shamus
2evil,
Jehovahs Witnesses are not 'the truth'. It took me years to figure it out, years of shame, years of guilt, years of living a life that was for naught!
When I think of how better off I would have been financially rather than 'pioneering'.... it makes me sick!
Now wasn't COC a kick in the ass? I literally had to put the book down and go for a walk to clear my head I was so pissed off sometimes....
Welcome to the real world. You've just found out that Jehovahs Witnesses are full of crap. That's a hard pill to swallow.
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jws
I'm done. Read coc, now just have to figure out the way out for all of us...
Great decision! When you look back years from now, you'll be so glad you left. You'll feel so free when you think back on your JW days and about those still in it and you'll wonder how you ever put up with it all.
It may not be easy and there are challenges you face. Just remember this website and use it. There are many here who have faced almost the same issues you will face and can help you through them, even if that just means having a sounding board and a place to vent.
When I left, newsgroups like this didn't exist. I thought I was a rare case and my experiences were fairly unique. It's nice to know you aren't alone out there.
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ApagaLaLuz
Some brothers just seem so strong and inteligent. Makes me doubt that they could be so wrong.
It's not intelligence, some people are just more skilled at regurgitating information than others. You're right, there a few smart ones, I like to call those the string holders.
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MerryMagdalene
Welcome 2evil and all my best to you!
Please check out the following site as you might find something here that will help you and help your family as you begin the process of leaving or, at the very least, may inspire and encourage you:
http://www.freeminds.org/psych/exithelp.htm
--Merry
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Farkel
: By signs I mean comments I've heard from elders: "boy things really come out in JC meetings" you can see the hs working.
"Boy things really come out in the courtrooms at trials. You can see the hs working."
"Boy things really come out in our weekly brain storming sessions. You can see the hs working."
"Boy things really come out in our monthly poker games. You can see the hs working."
"Boy things really come out after a couple of shots of whiskey. You can see the hs working."
You get the picture. What the elders are doing is making a false argument called "special pleading." They are saying that when things come out in JC meetings, the holy spirit is working. However, if the same things come out in say, a poker game it has nothing to do with the holy spirit working or not.
Did you ever consider WHY "things come out" in a judicial committee? I'll tell you why. A JC is the most terrifying experience a JW can have. A JW under interrogation has hardly any rights and most certainly doesn't have the right to remain silent as to not incriminate oneself. No. The WTS strips JWs of that right. In more cases than not, the JW under investigation is not presumed innocent, but must prove innocence. Failing that, the JW is brainwashed to believe that upon DFing she/he is facing eternal condemnation.
Furthermore, IF the holy spirit works in some JCs, why doesn't it work in others? I've seen hundreds and hundreds of examples where JWs were wrongly DFd due to elder idiocy or lies told by prosecution witnesses.
Therefore, is the holy spirit on some sort of "part time job" in judicial committees? If so, how can you explain that?
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zen nudist
JWs among others are masters as false questions and binary logic....
the belief that every question is either yes or no can lead a merry chase.
do you beat your wife often? yes or no? just answer the question..... some questions cannot be yes or no, but that does not stop many from posing them....
JWs posit two possiblities for many things...either there is a god or there isn't... they never can show you which is which, but they realise that enough will side with yes for them to proceed.... this god is either loving or not... again, no answer given by any evidences other than more yes or no type questions... after a while you are so entangled in their web of affirmatives that you barely realize that they have not provided a single proof for anything they have proported to demonstrate.... you find it difficult to doubt many things because they set it up that you had to answer yes to most of the questions they invented... but that is the key, they invented the questions and now you are playing by THEIR rules and the house always has the advantage.
if the premise is false the whole ball of wax is built on sand.... what is good and evil? every single one of us has an idea of what is good for us and evil for us based purely on pain and pleasure...but somehow we dont notice that slowly and surely religion turns this upside down and makes us feel guilt for anything pleasant unless its done strictly by their rules....
is there a god? have you met one? or have you merely attributed some odd and perhaps unexplainable occurances to a god someone told you about? is there a need for a god? can the argument that design requires a designer work when the designer who is supposed to be so much more complex does not need one?.. self contradictions do not bother believers much... faith is believing in what defies reason and experiences...because you trust the source... but who is the source? can you trust Moses, a war criminal who had defenseless women and children murdered because he feared his own people's weakness [numbers 31]. or can you trust Paul who admits the only Jesus he met was a vision on a desert road?
as for Jesus, did he even exist? www.jesusneverexisted.com shows that unbelievers make a pretty strong case that he was just a reworked myth and why were we not ever told these things?
it seems that everyone around us believes Jesus existed, but only because everyone around them basically believes Jesus existed... there is hardly anything that shows he was more than a character in a book and not one fact that shows he was more.
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Gadget
I'm done. Read coc, now just have to figure out the way out for all of us...
Good for you. I hope it doesn't cause too many problems for you, but remember we're always here if it does. People on here helped me more than they'l ever know. Personally, because I was just brought up in it and never truly believed coc didn't have very much impact on me, it just reinforced what I had already guessed. The real big thing for me was reading George Orwells '1984' and 'Animal Farm'. And they're also a good book to get others to read without appearing apostate.......