WHAT IF WE DIDN'T POISON CHILDREN'S MINDS WITH FANTASY? (page 18)

itsallgoodnow

Princess said:

This attitude of it being lying to your children is a leftover belief from the dubs. They were always preaching superiority "WE don't LIE to our children like the world does." BS. Their whole doctrine is a lie and they prevented us from having Santa and Christmas.

I disagree with that statement, but it's pretty typical for an angry person to resort to that sort of comeback, when they don't like something, they just say, "hey that's exactly what the JWs do, too". That's just bullshit.

Every myth has something to teach. IMO the point of the Santa claus myth is getting children's minds prepared for later religious indoctrination. Santa Claus is watching everybody, rewarding the good and punishing the bad, kinda like God, you know?

Telling kids about santa is not damaging or hurtful to them. Yes, but that's just not the point that was being made, IMO. Since it's the easier thing to argue, everyone just jumped all over it.

What's disappointing is I'm not a bit surprised by some of the reactions I saw on this thread.

Xena

Every myth has something to teach. IMO the point of the Santa claus myth is getting children's minds prepared for later religious indoctrination. Santa Claus is watching everybody, rewarding the good and punishing the bad, kinda like God, you know?

Try reading some of the comments I posted about people who actually experienced Santa as a kid....

but there is something magical this time of year that I just can't explain

It's about being a kid at heart again, when seeing twinkle-ing Christmas lights made you giggle, and you wanted to spend time with family. It's about thinking back to a time when you did believe in Santa, and all things magical.

there was a Santa in everyone who did things for others on Christmas. :)

As an adult, I very much want to believe in Santa. To me, he represents all that's good about Christmas

his spirit is what makes Christmas have its magic.

Santa is the spirit of the holiday.

For my daughter there is no fear of punishment...it's about fun and magic and putting cookies and carrots out and giggling under the covers....you can take that away from your kids if you like, but I'm not taking it away from mine...

gypsywildone

Green cheese, brats, regular cheese- matters not- it's all just poison waiting to be consumed. All I know is that I saw a cat in my neighborhood playing the fiddle. It was right before he got on that UFO. And my dog laughs all the time. And my china and cutlery have been missing for a long time. I always figured that the Yeti took them because he needed them but now I know differently.

And hell, I live in Wisconsin- cows jump over the moon all the time here !!

And I can't like Green Eggs and Ham, Sam I am- because there is no such thing

LOL! You're a scream! So is my fantasy Smurf Mac! I was over tired & silly last night, so I went to bed. I thought it was just me

Narkissos

Santa Claus is watching everybody, rewarding the good and punishing the bad, kinda like God, you know?

Is he?

- Honest question: I don't know about Santa Claus, but that's not the French Père Noël's character. There used to be an "anti-Santa" character named Père Fouettard, who was supposed to punish mean children (i.e., Santa never did the bad job), but it is long forgotten and today's children never heard of him...

Princess

Princess said:
This attitude of it being lying to your children is a leftover belief from the dubs. They were always preaching superiority "WE don't LIE to our children like the world does." BS. Their whole doctrine is a lie and they prevented us from having Santa and Christmas.
I disagree with that statement, but it's pretty typical for an angry person to resort to that sort of comeback, when they don't like something, they just say, "hey that's exactly what the JWs do, too". That's just bullshit.

Oh please, that's just lame. Were you ever a witness? Can you honestly say that wasn't drilled into you every Christmas? I wasn't angry at anyone when I posted that. It's just a fact. Please ask a large group of never been a dubs what they think of Santa. I'm sure the majority will have positive thoughts like Xena posted and very few will be quoting the JW line of "lying to our children". It's a dub teaching that is obviously hard for some to shake.

mpatrick

Can you honestly say that wasn't drilled into you every Christmas?

Yes, along with every other fun and exciting thing that we grew up around. I am so happy to be rid of that mentality that everything fun has some hidden agenda to it. I do admit, I held onto a lot of that garbage upon first leaving the organization. Maybe that is why I am so defensive now, because I am tired of people trying to suck the joy out every little thing and make it out to be something that it is not.

IMO the point of the Santa claus myth is getting children's minds prepared for later religious indoctrination.

How so? would you care to elaborate?

shotgun

From all of the non-jw people I have ever known this statement does not apply.

IMO the point of the Santa claus myth is getting children's minds prepared for later religious indoctrination.

Christmas is a commercial enterprise around the world, Asian countries have embraced it and place no religous meaning to it as far as I know.

In fact it seems that religion has slowly been removed from every holiday which is currently celebrated, there are some who do still attach religous meaning but they seem to be the minority.

Terry

itsallgoodnow said:Every myth has something to teach. IMO the point of the Santa claus myth is getting children's minds prepared for later religious indoctrination. Santa Claus is watching everybody, rewarding the good and punishing the bad, kinda like God, you know?
Telling kids about santa is not damaging or hurtful to them. Yes, but that's just not the point that was being made, IMO. Since it's the easier thing to argue, everyone just jumped all over it.

FINALLY!!

Somebody got the point of my thread!

A thousand hugs to you!!

Princess

FINALLY!!
Somebody got the point of my thread!
A thousand hugs to you!!

You mean someone agreed with you. We all got your point, we just don't agree. Personally I think what IAGN said is pure BS. However, that is MY opinion, you don't have to agree or give hugs.

edited to add: itsallgoodnow said:Every myth has something to teach. IMO the point of the Santa claus myth is getting children's minds prepared for later religious indoctrination. Santa Claus is watching everybody, rewarding the good and punishing the bad, kinda like God, you know?

I think this is BS.

Telling kids about santa is not damaging or hurtful to them. Yes, but that's just not the point that was being made, IMO. Since it's the easier thing to argue, everyone just jumped all over it.

We argued it because Terry gave the impression that his way was the best way. He said we were fooling, lying etc. What parent wouldn't defend their parenting decisions, especially when it was attacked in that way?

Xena

I think most of us saw your point, we just didn't agree with it.

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