Do You Look Down on "Religious" People Now That You're No Longer a JW?

by minimus 64 Replies latest jw friends

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    I'll jump in here and be frank. I do feel that religious people are a little inferior in their overall perception of the universe.

    However, I also feel that some religious people have experienced a higher level of conciousness and may have difficulty getting their questions answered by science. I understand why they may have chosen a path that leads them to religion. There will always be a religious belief out there that will coincide with your own perception of your experiences.

    I also feel that religion is the only source for morals and ethics for a good portion of our society that just doesn't have any common sense.

    TimB

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Tim:

    I also feel that religion is the only source for morals and ethics for a good portion of our society that just doesn't have any common sense.

    What a sad indictment on society.
    Sadly it bear a ring of truth

  • Terry
    Terry

    MORALITY and ETHICS are skills that come from learning how to think. Thinking is not taught in schools. Becoming a "monkey see/monkey do" is what is taught. Following orders is what is taught. Do as you are told is the rule of thumb. This is not the skill needed to make moral choices.

    What is not taught and needs to be is the source of morality: the bad choices you make in life lead to destructive consequences. The good choices improve your life.

    Pretty simple. We don't need religion for that.

    Religion destroys our ability to think. It creates little hand puppets.

  • Markfromcali
    Markfromcali

    I don't think there's a need to look down on anyone even if their perception of reality is rather convoluted and not one that others share. It helps to distinguish between that thought process and other things that make up the person, which can be a great human being. What is disheartening is when the two are clearly very tightly knit together, and in spite of good intentions you see they are in this trance and any good qualities only comes through in that fictitious context. Fortunately for the most part people are not always that way, even if they 'have religion', but when you get into cultish influences it is more pervading in their lives and behavior.

  • undercover
    undercover
    If someone believes one thing and someone believes different, then by default, one has to view the other as holding an inferior belief set. You believe one way, I believe differently, therefore from your viewpoint my belief is inferior and from my viewpoint your belief is inferior

    Not necessarily....I tend to just view them as different from mine for the most part. I don't know other people's life experiences and how they formed their beliefs well enough to make a judgement as to whether they are inferior or not...even if I wanted to make that kind of call.

    Here's where political correctness rears it's ugly head. If you believe something, REALLY BELIEVE it, then you will feel that beliefs contrary to yours are inferior. For instance, if you REALLY BELIEVE in God, then the belief of athesism is inferior to your belief. To say, I "just view it as different from my belief..." means that you either don't REALLY believe what you think you believe or in a sense of political correctness you don't want to stir up the pot and be forced to take a stand on an issue.

    Disagreement is not condescension, IMHO.
    However declaring another to be foolish, can be.

    Agreed on the first statement. On the second statement, if you're implying that I declared someone foolish, that's not true. I said "they have been fooled....". That's not calling someone a fool or someone being foolish. Being fooled can happen to the smartest, sharpest of people. Most everyone on this board is here because they were fooled at one time, by the WTS. But the vast majority here are not fools. I believe, REALLY BELIEVE, that religion continues to fool a lot of people. Agree or disagree, that's what I believe. Feel insulted by it, sorry, but that's what I believe.

    But I'll still drink a beer with ya....cheers

  • Xena
    Xena
    Here's where political correctness rears it's ugly head. If you believe something, REALLY BELIEVE it, then you will feel that beliefs contrary to yours are inferior. For instance, if you REALLY BELIEVE in God, then the belief of athesism is inferior to your belief. To say, I "just view it as different from my belief..." means that you either don't REALLY believe what you think you believe or in a sense of political correctness you don't want to stir up the pot and be forced to take a stand on an issue.

    Ok you don't know me so don't presume to twist what I said or call me a liar. Got it?

  • undercover
    undercover
    Ok you don't know me so don't presume to twist what I said or call me a liar. Got it?

    Okay....I didn't twist what you said....I quoted it. I didn't call you a liar...I disagreed...

    To reiterate: I think that if someone believes something strongly enough, then the other person's opposing beliefs have to be inferior. I'm not saying that they are inferior, it's the belief that the other belief is inferior. If someone elses beliefs are equal to or even better than our own, then our convictions to our beliefs aren't that strong. I believe that enough to say it again at the possible result of another reprimand from someone who doesn't like my belief. I believe I am right.

    If we are talking just opinions on a subject, then yes we can view opinions equally, but beliefs and opinions differ. Beliefs are stronger than opinions. I have opinions on the presedential race, but I have no strong beliefs as to who would be better. If I believed, really believed one over the other, than I would have no choice than to view the belief that the other candidate is better as wrong.

    Nothing is personal here. I'm stating what I believe and think through a logical process, trying to not let feelings interfere.

  • crownboy
    crownboy

    I honestly don't care what others believe, as long as it does not affect me. Just because I don't agree with something doesn't mean that a person who does is doing so for "inferior" reasons.

    With the above principle being applied, I'm always bothered by religious people who try to push their worldview on the entire society. The type of people like Pat Buchanan who believe that a secular world view (which neither helps nor hurts the religious or non religious a like) is wrong, because such a world view denigrates religion (by not putting it in a "special place"). I think too many of our current social issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, have been made difficult to deal with due to religion (let's be serious; we can come up with all sorts of lame and illogical reasons about how allowing gays to marry will somehow destroy heterosexual families, or somehow lead to man/dog unions, but if we are to be seriously honest with ourselves, it would be pretty damn clear that religious opposition is the real reason we have any major dissapproval to it. It bothers me that religious people are willing to let other people's lives be disadvantaged just because they "don't think it's right", despite the fact they won't be affected either way). I think alot of religious people, especially in the U.S., need to figure out a way to make their religion a personal journey instead of a societal crusade. I would be outraged if the U.S. government started expressly pushing a "anti-religious" agenda (like in France where religious symbols are banned in schools), but too many Christains see the government as a vehicle to push their own religious agendas.

    However, as long as a person is not a social crusader (and alot of the religious people on this board clearly aren't), I honestly don't make such judgements. As long as you end up being a net positive on society, do your thing.

  • Xena
    Xena

    My problem wasn't with your disagreeing with me. I have no problem with that. But don't label my opinion as "political correctness" when you obviously don't have a clue about me.

    I can have a strong belief. I can verbalize that belief to someone else and they can disagree with it and put forth their own belief. I don't have to think their belief is inferior to mine to validate myself or my belief...my thinking would be that someone who doesn't have strong enough convictions would need to use that type of mentality. It's not political correctness....it's being secure within yourself and what you believe. In my opinion anyway.

  • undercover
    undercover

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

    I don't have to think their belief is inferior to mine to validate myself or my belief...my thinking would be that someone who doesn't have strong enough convictions would need to use that type of mentality.

    If the belief is strong enough, then it doesn't need validation, but it also doesn't agree with the opposing belief. By disagreeing with the opposing belief we automatically see it as inferior to our belief. We think it's wrong, we think ours is right, therefore our belief is superior. Not that we hate the person, their ideas, ideals or belittle them, but inside, if we are honest with ourselves, we have to admit that we think our belief is superior. We may accept their belief as a valid belief for them, but we will not accept the belief.

    Maybe I'm not conveying my thoughts well. The process seems so logical to me. I accept that you don't accept my hypothesis on the belief ideal and that's fine. We can hold different ideals and beliefs and not hate each other. You'll believe that you're right and I'll believe that I'm right and we'll just either let it go or have fun with it from time to time.

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