by truthseeker 46 Replies latest jw friends
At that time a group of Bible students discerned-contrary to popular opinion-that Christ's return was to be invisible.
A group of bible students my ass! How about the idea of a gray bearded, wheat salesman who convinced a handful of other spiritual losers of his assnine idea's.
Gumby
1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)
Thanks for the quote Else. Looking at this quote it is now seems obvious why the WT invented the 1914 doctrine of the war in Heaven and Satan being cast down to Earth to cause havoc. It was designed to compensate for their founder and leader's false prophecy of Armageddon being completed in 1915.
JaredG, interesting points. I really believe the Society THINK they ARE Jehovah. Then, everything they say, makes sense.
Perhaps some have found certain information published by the "faithful and discreet slave" hard to grasp.
...hard to swallow more like.
Another thought - this could also be a softener for new light.
"What's the matter Brother Wavering, are you finding the new light about [insert changed doctine here] 'hard to grasp'?
the WT invented the 1914 doctrine of the war in Heaven and Satan being cast down to Earth to cause havoc
I always had doubts over this one - it just didn't seem to fit what the Bible and history reveal. If Satan was cast out of heaven to wage war with the remnant in 1914, then how come WW1 started before this momentous event?
WW1 started mid-1914 whereas the WTS claim the Gentile Times ended in October 1914.
Whenever I gave talks that included this teaching I'd skim over it hoping that noone would notice that it didnn't add up!
It was designed to compensate for their founder and leader's false prophecy of Armageddon being completed in 1915.
Exactly Ozzie. That's why it looks more like a case of the above.
Truthseeker - good points all!
I liked this one;
TOTAL publishers for August: 1, 019, 696 (Nov KM)
TOTAL publishers for September: 990, 551 (Dec KM)
This represents nearly a 3% fall off in just one month - that is amazing. Can anyone give us the figures for the same months, say over the past 3 years? Could this be a seasonal fall that is typical of the time of year when the kids go back to school, ect. ?
Jeff
Why didn't they stipulate the 'hard things to grasp', such as? The previous quotes are nothing more than conjecture. Is it their conjecture that is hard to grasp? Take the example of Romans 13 and the superior authorities. How many times did they play tennis with this scripture? No/yes, yes/no, no/yes,finally yes! This is like flickering with the switch in your house, off/on, on/off off/on, etc. I can't imagine Jesus telling his disciples one thing and then changing his mind a few times. Guest77
Another random thought just popped in: that's the only kind I get...
Would the higher number in August be due to publishers who have been irregular or inactive wanting to get a report filed before the end of a service year (they always start in Sept)? This would boost the numbers for the service year if they hit a peak that month - could the Co's and DO's be pushing that month as a 'month to get inactives going' to the elders, so that the yearly numbers look better? Any elders out there with this insight?
Jeff
Good points TruthSeeker and these are the type of posts that will help some of the 30,000 who have left to continue to think.
