Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

by truthseeker 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    Take the example of Romans 13 and the superior authorities. How many times did they play tennis with this scripture?

    On that note, Golf, I always wondered why the society could know the precise meaning of all sorts of complicated prophecy during the years leading up to 1963 (?) when they finally stated the latest understanding of those superior authorities. But any fifth grader could have read those verses and understood them long before the society got them figured out? How was God's spirit active on that one?

    Always hung in my craw - long before I left the fantasy.

    Jeff

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    AK-Jeff, here are the numbers for August and September over the last 3 years. As you can see, I think they have a huge push in August, then it drops off in September. Notice that for this September, there was no footnote talking about the number of publishers.

    2002

    TOTAL publishers - Aug 2002: 1, 012, 201 * August proved to be a month of outstanding activity. The total number of publishers reporting was 1,012,201. This is the second time we have exceeded one million publishers!

    TOTAL publishers - Sep 2002: 971, 346

    2003

    TOTAL publishers - Aug 2003: 1,029, 652 * August proved to be a month of remarkable activity. The total number of publishers

    recorded was 1,029,652. This is the second highest number of Kingdom proclaimers ever recorded in the United States!

    TOTAL publishers - Sep 2003: 981, 784

    2004

    TOTAL publishers - Aug 2004: 1, 019, 696

    TOTAL publishers - Sep 2004: 990, 551

    Note the huge difference of 29, 145 publishers in September this year. Where did they all go?

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Previous two years fall-off was greater than this year. 41k and 40k if I did the math right.

    Thanx truthseeker for the figures - so that must be a seasonal fall - off

    Jeff

  • Winston Smith :>D
    Winston Smith :>D

    Why didn't they stipulate the 'hard things to grasp', such as?

    Golf

    Excellent point! What they chould have printed is this

    "Some of Jehover's people find it hard to grasp what parts of blood are acceptable, why the end didn't come in 1994 after 80 years of the 1914 generation had passed, why the anointed numbers keep increasing, among other issues. Well, the answers to those questions can be found in the following paragraph."

    Yeah, right!

    I guess the GB likes a little mystery with their religion.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Perhaps some have found certain information published by the "faithful and discreet slave" hard to grasp. If any of this has happened to you, we urge you to study God's Word with renewed zeal and to supplicate Jehovah so that you may regain a strong, close relationship with him.

    They absolutely do not mean this! Interpretation: study the Societies published version of what the scriptures state. When Raymond Franz and a hundred of so brothers in Brooklyn tried to do as they suggest here - they got disfellowshipped!!!

    Jeff

  • JustTickledPink
    JustTickledPink

    But you have to consider the people like my mother who is 61 yoa, the "truth" is her whole life, she knows nothing else, she has nothing else, and she sooooo badly wants it to be true that she's going to stick with it. Because if she admits that it's not coming she's probably have a total nervous breakdown and would end up catatonic. All her eggs are in this basket.

    I think the publishers that drop out tend to be on the younger side, the older generation seems to the be ones who won't give up on the dream. It's like they can't comprehend anything else. My mom becamse baptized in 1974, she thought 1 more year... and she still stuck with it and still does even though they have been wrong.

    When articles like this come out, she reads it and it strenghtens her and makes her think she is going to be one of the few martyrs that didn't fall away, she will have endurance by gawd, she will do it! If only she was some high powered corporate business-woman, she'd be a millionaire with her attitude.

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    Why didn't they stipulate the 'hard things to grasp', such as?

    I think that this is obious: It would actually relate to people not accepting lies or intellectual dishonesty put forward by the WT. I think WT would rather not discuss these things because it will make them look bad. You can't look like your wrong if you're claiming to be in direct communication with God.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    TruthSeeker,

    I was going to point out that August is always the highest month and that September is always one of the worst months for publisher numbers, but I see that you have figured that out already.

    However, before you get carried away with the 30,000 drop off in publishers this year, do realise that this is actually a smaller drop than between August and September in the previous two years, as the statistics you provided shows.

    Why is August always the month with peak publishers? This is one of the biggest mysteries in life, I feel. Lots' of answers have been suggested, but none of them fully satisfactory, in my view.

    Back in the good old days when western developed countires experienced regularly, 5% growth or thereabouts, then I could understand that August would have the peak publisher number simply by virtue of the fact that it is the last month in the service year, and the numbers were always rising steadily month on month. But what about now when there is very little growth? Why does the peak still always come in August? Possible explanation:

    1. Inactive ones have been geared up to go on the ministry again after the summer convention.

    2. This is the last month for pioneers to get their hours in, and their increased activity (read: frantic meeting of quotas) boosts the turn out of other publishers with whom they go on the ministry.

    3. Lot's of people on holiday in July forget to put in their report and put intwo reports in August instead, thus skewing the numbers since they are counted twince in the same month. (this could be tested out by looking at the Australian figures, since their summer holiday is, of course, in December). - this solution was originally suggested, as far as I know, by Singelenberg in his article about the Dutch reaction among witnesses to the 1975 disappointment.

    4. Elders are encouraged through the KM to get everyone to put in a report for August especially. (this did happen once two years ago, but it does not happen every year, and cannot therefore explain why August consistently contains the peak publisher number)

    Has anyone got any other explanations or views on which explanation I have given is most satisfying?

  • BONEZZ
    BONEZZ

    8.Perhaps some have found certain information published by the "faithful and discreet slave" hard to grasp.

    As usual...it's the flock's inability to understand the almighty wisdom coming from Brooklyn.

    -BONEZZ

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff
    I think the publishers that drop out tend to be on the younger side, the older generation seems to the be ones who won't give up on the dream. It's like they can't comprehend anything else. My mom becamse baptized in 1974, she thought 1 more year... and she still stuck with it and still does even though they have been wrong.

    JTP - I am not so sure of that, actually. I was baptized in 1973, just leaving in the past year or so. I have come across many that have left after 30,40, or even 50 years in the org. I do believe it is easier to leave in younger years - but I think that many get to the 'empty nest' point in life - take a good honest look at what they thought was the 'truth' -and leave due to increased awareness of how time has showed the WT to be wrong on nearly everything they have tried to teach.

    I know what you mean though about 'wanting it to be the truth' - and not giving up on it. I went thru that part too. I still fight it. One poster here went thru a quick anger - thinking he had 'sinned against the Holy spirit' and started condemning all on this forum as wicked. This fantasy has a deep hold doesn't it?

    Jeff

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