They came back. P and her first partner, S (who, by the way, was not the friend of my JW friend after all).
P and S told me that there was no reason to be upset about all the comments given (see below, added information); it was just a matter of misunderstanding ("like John and James, who thought that they were going to be sitting next to Jesus. They made a mistake.") I tried to tell them that this issue was so important, that it was impossible to ignore. They have (the daughter was not here, btw... I still wonder about her). Each time I tried to speak, there were interruptions. I asked S if she'd read the papers I'd given. She said yes (but dismissed them, since they were only portions. I said that long paragraphs were there. She scoffed.
For several minutes I tried to explain that the issue of whether an organization teaches that it must be followed even if they were false prophets--was more important than all the things she was now trying to shove in (Christmas, in particular). It went contrary to the specific command of God in the OT, and of Jesus in the NT. She kept interrupting. I finally lost my patience and said, "Can I finish my comment?" and she said, "No, you keep interrupting mine!" (This may have been the case. I was not going to listen to prattle about how teachings of Christmas outranked false prophecy.)
I can't clearly remember the next bit of dialogue, but I was angry. There's a time for gathering stones, and a time for casting away. A loud thought in my head said, "If you are people who have seen what the issue is, and still favor a false prophet over God, then I will have nothing to do with you."
I said something to that effect, opened the door, and they gladly left.
Then, I called my JW friend. She hadn't left for work yet. She said, "What's wrong?" I said, "___, I just threw your friends out of my house!.... They were nice people and all... BUT!!!!" She said, "Bebu, don't worry!! I'm your friend!! I'm your friend!"
Well, we'll see if she knows what friendship is now. If she has it in her.. or not She's coming over right after work--so she won't be "talked to" by her "sisters" until she sees me. I will show her what I showed those gals.
Talk about a sudden turn of events.
bebu
Edited to add as reference, from an earlier thread:
And I told them both! I explained briefly that Franz and Haydon had admitted under oath that it was required for Witnesses to follow them, even if they were found to be false prophets! That if witnesses objected to false prophecy, they would be disfellowshiped, and be considered worthy of death! I said, "When I originally read these things, I nearly fell off my chair! There's absolutely NO reconciliation between this and what the Bible commands about never following false prophets. In legal court cases in Israel, the Bible required 2 witnesses; however, only ONE witnesses (the failed prophecy) was necessary to convict a false prophet. This underscores the severity of the view of false prophecy. Jesus spoke MANY times about bewaring of false prophets! They are not to be trusted."
She started thumbing thru her Bible, with an anxious look and furrowed brow , and I said, "Look, while you're doing that, I'll get you the Scotland trial references so that you can look them up if you like!"
Off I went and printed off pages I have on file here. (Precisely, I selected the text from the documents off of this page: http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040312/DOCTRINE/10527012) and printed it, avoiding any other editorials on the page.)
I came back and said that I used a phrase I recalled from the trial (promulgated false prophecy) as well as the word paragraph in order to get a page with references for the document (this is true--I didn't do it this morning, however; I did it a while back!)
I actually read the 3+ pages aloud to them both. There was no interruptions from either of them. They were silent when I was done. I turned to them and said, "Perhaps you have another way of getting around this, but to me it seems extremely clear that the WT leaders taught people must follow them even if they were false prophets... and that they expect unity at all costs, even if against the Bible... and neither of these things is Biblical. "
More silence, with some very concerned looks.