Was God in this disaster?

by bikerchic 47 Replies latest jw friends

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    I got this in my email and thought I would pass it along. I know many of us are struggling with so many issues involving God and the bad things that happen. For me this recent tsunami disaster was over the top, I'm beyond understanding and I'm not going to say this article helped me understand any better but it did show me that X-JW's aren't the only ones who struggle with such questions. I would like to know the answers for a certain, but that's just me and it's not going to happen. I guess I will struggle with the questions until the day I die.

    Was God in This Disaster?


    Turning to both Judaism and Buddhism for solace, the author meditates on God's role in the tsunami tragedy.
    Rodger Kamenetz

    I am trying to connect to this tragedy the best I can. The pictures help a little. I see dead children on the floor, a parent weeping. The little ones look like they are sleeping; it is unimaginable that they are dead. I see a parent holding his dead child. I feel in my body what it is like to hold... that weight. To feel the life gone, and the heaviness of a body that does not have life. It is different from holding a sleeping child, carrying a child to bed for instance. I can feel what this father feels in the photo, can reach in my imagination, and in my memory.

    But I can't multiply what I feel by 10,000 or 40,000, or even by ten. We know more than we can feel. And we respond as best we can, I think. This is our situation in a time of instant global communication.

    The heart does see from one end of the world to the other, and faster than the internet.

    I read that when someone witnessed the huge tidal wave approaching the shore, he thought it was "biblical." The flood story came to his mind, I guess, and behind it the old primitive idea of an angry God, destroying what he once created. Some people still think this way: everything bad that happens is a curse or a punishment and has a reason, even if we don't know what the reason is. I don't buy it.

    The children killed didn't have enough time in this life to deserve this death

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    This kind of disaster opens difficult prospects for the Western imagination. Some would see in it a monstrous demiurge: an all-powerful God who kills innocent children. We hear the bitter words in King Lear: "As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport." Others, seeking to justify God to man, will offer the simple idea that whoever suffers somehow had it coming.

    There is a deeper story about suffering in the Talmud. In this story, Moses travels to heaven and sees for himself that Rabbi Akiba is the greatest teacher of Torah. When Moses asks God what Akiba's reward will be, God shows him a vision: Akiba tortured by Romans in the marketplace, his flesh stripped from his body.

    Just as it is incomprehensible to us that children, whole families, whole islands could be taken up by a wave and drowned, it is incomprehensible to Moses that a great and good teacher would be "rewarded" with torture.

    When Moses asks why, God answers with a riddle, "It arose in thought."

    To our own human notion of justice, "it arose in thought" seems cruel and unaccountable. Those who wrote this story must have felt that injustice keenly. But the starkness of this tale shows a kind of maturity of vision we sadly lack in today's religious discourse. God in the story offers no real explanation. There is none at the human level that we could understand. We stand before it stunned and uncomprehending.
    At the level of our feelings of right and wrong, we understand there is no explanation for dead children on a beach who were playing and swimming one moment and taken away by a huge wave in the next. I can't accept the answer suggested by the Buddhist idea of group karma, that whatever happens to a group is somehow the result of a previous action of that group, either in this life or in a previous life. I don't accept that explanation in this case.

    I don't believe it because this disaster happened to children. They didn't have enough time in this life to deserve this death. And in a previous life? No, that is too abstract for me. The explanation that their acts in a previous life may have warranted this death lacks specificity--and a number of deaths so huge already lacks too much specificity. I need to feel more, not less.

    One time I asked the Dalai Lama how he would respond to a parent who had lost a child. And he said--these aren't his exact words--that when you lose a child you are constantly thinking of that child in your imagination. He called the child a "dear one." And he said, "You must know that your 'dear one' does not want you to suffer, to feel so much grief." I found this meditation wholly beautiful.

    I don't believe in a God who punishes through disaster. The disaster is.

    He added that for a Buddhist, suffering is in the nature of things, and so he would try to remind a Buddhist to reflect on that. But, he said, for a Westerner, there would arise the question of meaning. This boils down to the question of Job: Why would a just God allow the innocent to suffer? The question is just as profound for an individual loss as for a mass disaster: It doesn't get more profound, just more inescapable.

    I don't believe that a mass disaster, in and of itself, tells us anything about God. I don't believe in a God who punishes through disaster. The disaster is. That is exactly the way I would understand it, without adding my own interpretation, without supplying a meaning or completing the sentence. The disaster is. The tragedy is. And I need to abide with it, and feel it, instead of seeking an answer, because the answers just make me complacent and take me away from the children on the beach, and the father with the dead child in his arms.

    There is no God in the disaster.I think there is God in the response, in the human hearts of those who are feeling and responding to this, the families and neighbors of the victims, and the rest of us, the bystanders, and us, too. The whole world is feeling it.

    I used to think that if something unaccountably bad happened to someone, it needed to be compensated by something good. That was my own internal accounting, my own way of repairing my sense of order, of justice. A boy loses his sight, but he becomes a musical genius. A teacher of mine lost his mobility to polio, but he gained the ability to be a blessing to others. One time I said such things in a public talk, and a woman in a wheelchair rolled toward me and said with great seriousness and very slowly, "I would like you to consider that a disability means?absolutely nothing."

    I heard her and felt how I had glibly covered over my heart with an easy reaction.

    I love what the Baal Shem Tov, the founder of modern Hasidism, said when asked to define equanimity. "If whatever happens you can say, if it's good enough for God, who am I to judge? That's equanimity." And he added, "But that is a very high rung."

    It is a very high rung and I cannot say I am standing on it now, and rarely ever. I cannot say that this tsunami is for the good.

    It is not for the good, it is not for the bad. It just is.

    It is not a blessing, it is not a curse, it just is.

    A tectonic plate shifted, and a vast wave spread across the ocean, and took with it many lives.

    And now another wave is spreading, and it is also vast, and it spreads through the hearts of those who let themselves feel it.

    The disaster is. It happened to a "dear one," someone's "dear one," many dear ones. I open my heart and feel it. The place it touches in me, touches God.
  • Brummie
    Brummie

    It was a tough read but his conclusion is great:

    And now another wave is spreading, and it is also vast, and it spreads through the hearts of those who let themselves feel it.

    The disaster is. It happened to a "dear one," someone's "dear one," many dear ones. I open my heart and feel it. The place it touches in me, touches God.

    Thanks for posting it ((((((Biker)))))

    Brummie

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    awww damnitall anyways (((Brummie))) you task me.....

    The disaster is. It happened to a "dear one," someone's "dear one," many dear ones. I open my heart and feel it. The place it touches in me, touches God.

    Just when I thought I had abandoned God after he abandoned me.......I read the above and it personalized God for me yet again.

    It doesn't answer the question I have of how a parent could watch his children suffer so though. This is just so massive, yet as a parent to see one of my children suffer in any way is massive to me because I am after all mere mortal woman and powerless to help in an uncommon way. What about God who has superhuman powers?

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    I believe each and every person is a little part of the divine, and our souls after our body dies, continues back to the heavens were it examines it's brief time in that body. Some souls lives are very brief, like a baby or child who dies. But in time I believe they chose to born again to a new family. I believe that life is truly eternal. People sometimes suffer at the hands of others who use their free will to be bad people. That is why as humans we sometimes suffer abuse. Did God do it, no, but people did and there is lies the blame. At some point that person who does cruel things to another human will have to pay back to that person in their next live together.

    As for dying prematurely like in the disaster, well death and dying is part of the lessons we must learn. If we could remember that we are eternal, and these fleshy bodies are only temporary, perhaps it would ease the terrible pain of losing our loved ones. Yes that Asian disaster killed so very many. Will we try to appreciate each day a little more, and do what we can to reach out and help the survivors?

    Just my thought, as I've had to find ways to cope with the loss of a son to death almost 4 years ago.

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    *ignores the post above*

    .......I read the above and it personalized God for me yet again.

    Yes me too.

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    Oh and baslaam, you have experienced something all of us dread, ((((hugs)))). I cant think of anything more gut wrenching than seeing a parent crying over the loss of a child.

  • Balsam
    Balsam

    JR Bob Dobbs,

    Wow your comment that those people deserved to die they lived in a dangerous area of the world. Did all those people know that? I seriously doubt they did. Did those little children deserve to die because of the decisions of the parents? What choice did those children or even poor adults have when they couldn't afford to move somewhere else. It sounds as though your dumping the blame for people dying prematurely on themselves, is that what you intended to say?

    Interesting comments for someone new to the boards. Hope you'll hang around and learn many more thoughts are forth coming. Welcome to the discussion.

    Balsam

  • Dawn
    Dawn

    Good post Bikerchick!

    Jr. - why don't you try being part of the solution instead of pointing the finger of blame. It's a much harder task - but I believe that's what Jesus would want for each of us.

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    Thanks everyone for your replies I regret I have to get going for the better part of the day but will check back when I get home because all of you have made me think and I appreciate it very much.

    *pats Brummie on the head*

    Kate

  • Swan
    Swan

    Katie,

    This quote by Dansk today gave me pause for thought. I cut it and pasted it to my favorite quotes collection.

    ?If a man loses his life in the act of saving someone it is called a godly or unselfish (and brave) act. Almighty God was in no danger of perishing by saving just one of those people.? -Dansk

    I don't know if this helps or not; I'm still processing this myself. But I thought it was worthy of sharing here.

    Tammy

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