Was God in this disaster?

by bikerchic 47 Replies latest jw friends

  • Swan
    Swan

    Dear Katie;

    I've been mulling it over some more. I used to go to church after I left the JWs. I really tried to believe in God. I really wanted to believe in God. Eventually I had to conclude God didn't exist. Disasters like this happen. Unspeakable crimes occur. For thousands of years God micromanages every aspect of our lives and even speaks from the heavens. Then for almost 2000 years, not a peep. He never calls, He never writes...

    It was the fact that disasters happen and people commit unspeakable acts of cruelty that made me doubt God's existence at all. A heinous crime occurs because humans are capable of great cruelty. God does nothing to stop this crime. Did God create humans capable of such cruelty? Did he create a world with natural disasters of such cruelty as what happened in Southeast Asia? If so, why? Why doesn't He clearly tell us, since He would undoubtedly have our complete attention?

    If I was Goddess, they would be calling me Ms. Buttinski, because I could never not help. I would have to intervene. I would save kids dying in tsunamis, in fires, and from disease. I couldn't let these innocent ones suffer. How could I let people be cruelly killed, by natural disaster or by criminal acts? What kind of Goddess would I be if it was so within my power to help, and yet I did nothing. What kind of human being would I be? Could I live with myself? If God created human beings in His image, why doesn't He do something? I know I would.

    So if there is a God, His silence on matters is only understandable if He doesn't want to answer the tough questions I and many others here on Earth have for Him. Still, if He would step forward and do something, anything at all, I would believe. I would love to believe.

    This was part of what you quoted. I think it is significant.

    I think there is God in the response, in the human hearts of those who are feeling and responding to this, the families and neighbors of the victims, and the rest of us, the bystanders, and us, too. The whole world is feeling it.

    Someone once told me that they thought God was a human invention in order to deal with death. Basically he said that God didn't create us; we created God. Maybe so. Maybe he was invented in the human mind. But also consider this.

    Some humans are capable of extreme cruelty, but far more of them are capable of great kindness and goodness. On just Amazon's site alone they have had almost 90,000 people raise over 5 million dollars for the tsunami survivors.

    Someone else (Mrs. Snoddy, a Return Visit on my magazine route when I was young) told me God is in our heart. So maybe, just maybe, God wasn't an invention of the minds of humans. Maybe He is the invention of millions and billions of human hearts. I really want to believe that, because that means that if there really is no God, there is still hope.

    Tammy

  • heathen
    heathen

    That was interesting some 19 files had spyware crap in them . I was wondering why the pop ups and gliches were so prominant . Where do people get off with that kind of crap ? There was one point where my browser was hijacked , now I know why .

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    I certainly don't understand why disasters happen. But I do know that I can help (even if in just a small way) a few of the survivors. And if everyone does the same many more can be helped.

    It does good to my heart to periodically see advertisements on this site: "Tsunami Earthquake--Donate Online--if you can read this you can afford it."

    Thanks Simon.

  • heathen
    heathen

    I tell ya that I watched some of the videos that were filmed during the wave coming in and I believe that more people could have been saved . The video shows people on top of a hotel watching it happen while people were down by the pool and I wondered why these people were not in the hotel out of the way . I figure the hotel locked the doors or something . I would think twice before helping these people anyway because they are a moslem nation and often times they don't have the rights to freedom of religion and treat christians as second class . To me that is despotism . Then I ask myself why aren't these arab nations that are making a fortune on the oil bizz helping out ?

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    The world is ever changing. There have been plagues of disease, trsunamis, tornadoes, all that stuff for thousands of years. This won't be the first time, and it won't be the last.

    Why is it that God allows it? I don't know, but I trust what he says when he says that he will deliver me out of it. How do I know that? Because the bible says so.

    CG

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    Well I've thought about this all day and am late getting back to reply but I do appreciate all the replies.

    Tammy you and I think so much alike like yeah God what about 2000 years and not a peep! I really like what you said here:

    Someone once told me that they thought God was a human invention in order to deal with death. Basically he said that God didn't create us; we created God. Maybe so. Maybe he was invented in the human mind. But also consider this.

    That makes perfect sense to me! Thanks so much Tammy for taking the time to reply I love and am still digesting all of what you wrote, lots for me to consider! I vote for you to be Goddess!!!!!

    Kenneson I concur, I don't know why disasters happen either and thanks for the reminder that the best way to cope is to help the survivors. Yeah thanks Simon for the link!

    heathen I'm so glad you got rid of spy ware, whew! That cat (Brummie) is one top cat!

    You do sound like a JW tho and are in violation of the ban on the web to visit this site . Maybe God will get angry with you for disobeying a publishing corporation

    hee,hee you tell 'em heathen. But ya know he's reading maybe he'll learn something and wake up himself!

    Balsam I can't really wrap my mind around this idea, but I've heard it before many times and I've even heard it explained like those deja vou moments. I'm not sure what I believe.

    I believe each and every person is a little part of the divine, and our souls after our body dies, continues back to the heavens were it examines it's brief time in that body. Some souls lives are very brief, like a baby or child who dies. But in time I believe they chose to born again to a new family. I believe that life is truly eternal.
    As for dying prematurely like in the disaster, well death and dying is part of the lessons we must learn. If we could remember that we are eternal, and these fleshy bodies are only temporary, perhaps it would ease the terrible pain of losing our loved ones.

    In my way of thinking that's like saying I must experience pain to appreciate feeling good. I just don't buy it, but it is something I'm considering or should I say pondering. I would just think that if I lived another life or a past life and this is like my second or third time on this earth I would have chosen a better life, on a higher plane and I would remember exactly my past lives so as not to repeat past mistakes. I don't have those memories so I doubt I've lived before now nor do I think I will live after I die.

    I edited this to add my sincere condolences for the loss you've suffered and I in no way intended to diminish your hope. There truly can be no greater pain than the loss of a child which is also greatly on my mind watching all the news reports and how many children were loss in this tsunami.

    JR Dobbs I really think Balsam and heathen said it better than I could. I find the God you worship to be evil.

    *pets (((Brummie)))*

  • heathen
    heathen

    I would like to set the record straight on my earlier comments . I did not say God was evil , just the publishing corporation that believes that disobeying them is the same as disobeying God . I don't think God would be angry for visiting the web . I also think JR Dobbs is a troll and is probly taking names and whatever info he can to the church that condemns us .

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    heathen I know you didn't say God was evil, I did though. The God I read about in the Bible who kills is IMHO evil, just as evil as He says His son Satan is.

    If you are to buy into the Bible's version of God being our parent and we are in His likeness, well I ask you would you treat your children the way God has treated His? I don't, I wouldn't and I don't want anything to do with a God like the one in the Bible. It is after all just a story book about good verses evil.

  • justhuman
    justhuman

    It is humans that destroy nature and nature strikes bike

  • PinTail
    PinTail

    "Its the end of the world as we know it".

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