NaziUFOIlluminatiRANDCORP

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    sf

    Here also, you will find links that take you to places that will keep you reading for hours (including also videotapes):

    < http://members.tripod.com/~J_Kidd/nazi.html

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    < http://www.eagle-net.org/omega/omega3.htm

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    < http://www.majesticnetwork.com/conspiracy/omega4.html

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    Here, RAND CORPORATION is listed (scroll down also):

    < http://www.think-aboutit.com/Underground/underground_nazi_invasion_of_the2.htm

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    < http://www.toogoodreports.com/column/general/morse/050201.htm

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    < http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5923/game/secret.txt

    Here is a pasted portion of this page:

    RAND Corporation ("Think Tank" - CIA outlet and front
    for intelligence projects, weapons development, etc.)".......

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    More on RAND CORP:

    < http://www.enigma.eccosys.org/mojave/chapter_09.html

    A portion:

    "The Wackenhut company has a very close connection to the world of BLACK BUDGET PROJECTS. Besides being connected with the Cabazon venture mentioned in this issue it is also responsible, according to jailed computer consultant Michael Riconosciuto, FOR THE SECRET PROJECTS BEING UNDERTAKEN IN DULCE, NEW MEXICO where the JICARILLA INDIAN RESERVATION IS BEING SIMILARLY USED. (Note: The Underground Labs near Dulce are alleged to be tied-in with the Department of Energy, Rand Corp, DARPA, Los Alamos Labs, MJ-12, the CIA and other 'secret government' controlled military- industrial-intelligence organizations. It is believed to be the largest underground 'joint-interaction' Illuminati/Alien laboratory of it's kind in the United States, and possibly the world - Branton)...

    "After sending two of my colleagues there recently AND RECEIVING CONFIRMATION THAT THERE WAS A TOP SECRET MILITARY TYPE INSTALLATION I decided to call the newspaper office and make an educated bluff.

    "I identified myself as a freelance reporter from Los Angeles -- and told the newspaper that I was doing a story on the Cabazon reservation biological warfare projects that had been undertaken there on behalf of the CIA. I told her that I had heard that there were similar things being done in Dulce and would like to know what was going on. "The official I spoke to BECAME FRIGHTENED and said, 'I can't talk to you about that! It would be very unprofessional of me to talk to you about that. You'll have to speak to the President of the tribe.' She then hung up.

    "I have yet to call back and ask the President of the tribe, but will report on that in the next issue. "

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    More on what RAND CORP was "doing":

    < http://www.metamute.com/mutemagazine/current/tomorrow.htm
    The USA made its own gargantuan command-control blunders, notably with the RAND corporation's attempt to cybernetically manage the Vietnam war. RAND conducted a vast information-gathering enterprise, with every patrol, every engagement being recorded on standardised forms whose impersonal mathematical language of 'contacts' and 'kill ratios' became part of the popular jargon of the war. Throughout the years of America's engagement in South East Asia RAND ran this data through cybernetic models which influenced both policy and military strategy - RAND simulations (which failed, for example, to take into account NVA morale as a factor) were a primary justification for the bombings of North Vietnam and Cambodia. The greatest debacle came in the latter stages of American engagement when a simulation exercise was conducted to find out how much longer the war would continue. The response given by the computer was a date several years previously. Like these Cold War policy-makers, Wiener had always believed in the application of cybernetics to social and cultural systems, and the idea of modelling the variation of such systems over time was an idea which held great fascination for futurists. Since no mathematics existed to make such models, it remained a tantalising dream, a dream which seemed to promise profound, even transcendental revelations. This extension of this American science into the realm of ideology was largely responsible for 1950s Soviet hostility to cybernetics. At RAND, futurist Herman Kahn, who had previously worked with John Von Neumann on the 'Monte Carlo' simulation of the effects of a nuclear explosion, turned to the ideas of social cybernetics to model entire nuclear wars. Kahn chaired the Strategic Objectives Committee, which proposed a variety of simulations that became the basis for US strategy throughout the Cold War. Kahn's wargames played through a variety of scenarios, taking imaginary conflicts through forty-four "rungs of escalation" from "ostensible crisis" through "justifiable counterforce attack" to "global nuclear war." Utilising game theory models like the 'prisoner's dilemma', Kahn's scenarios had a social element, political situations being represented and considered through an increasingly 'soft' non-mathematical technics of modelling.

    Kahn's published works were widely read, and the concept of cybernetically modelling the future spread from military to business circles. Corporations began to allocate large budgets to cybernetic futurism. In the mid-sixties the oil company Royal Dutch Shell hired an eccentric Belgian, Pierre Wack, to run its planning department. Prone to burning incense and chanting mantras in the office, Wack cut an unusual figure in the corporate world. He was also a disciple of two seemingly contradictory things - Kahn's RAND scenarios, and the thought of the central Asian mystic Gurdjieff. From RAND he learnt the importance of research, of collating accurate information about the present in order to make predictions - and through the abject failure of RAND's methods in Vietnam, the uselessness of simply trying to mathematically extrapolate the future from the present. From Gurdjieff, he took the idea that a certain number of 'remarkable men' exist in the world at any one time, people whose knowledge has the power to change the world. From a fusion of the two he invented 'scenario planning' a technique where organisations create a number of 'alternate futures': visions of how the world might be in ten, twenty or fifty years time. To do this they work with 'remarkable' outside thinkers and are encouraged to step away from the 'official future' - whatever the mainstream picture of things might be in their organisation. Scenarios, in Wack's definition, are like science fiction stories, except with rules. No aliens. No disregarding plausibility. GBN founder Peter Schwartz likens them to movie scripts and it seems no accident that they thrive in California, home of Hollywood. There are, Schwartz stresses, some differences. "SF is not bounded by reality. You can rewrite the rules of reality. With scenarios you can't. SF is intended to stimulate and entertain. Scenarios are about improving decisions. The purposes are quite different." If a company has, say, four different futures in front of them, they can see where their business would fit into each possible scheme of things. Making pictures helps notoriously hidebound corporation man 'think the unthinkable'. In a world where the birth rate is tiny, what does that do to his sales of disposable nappies? How will a CD pressing plant fare if everyone starts listening to music online?"

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    "Educate Yourself" (scroll down text to read about RAND CORP):

    < http://educate-yourself.org/nwoindex.html

    A portion:

    The sheer magnitude and complex web of deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations involved in this conspiracy is mind boggling, even for the most astute among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism towards the topic, unaware that they have been conditioned
    (brainwashed) to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences that were created by the Mother of All mind control organizations: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier (The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines ) says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people.
    What most Americans believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the Illuminati's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls tells the Illuminati that the programing is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved. While the thrust and content of the propaganda is decided at Tavistock, implementation of the propaganda is executed in the United States by well over 200 'think tanks' such as the Rand Corporation and the Brookings Institute which are overseen and directed by the top NWO mind control organization in the United States, the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in Menlo Park, California.

    (WTBTS owns stock in this corporation:

    < http://www.tenkwizard.com/blurbs.php?repo=tenk&ipage=1098910&exp=watchtower&g=

    The NWO global conspirators manifest their agenda through the skillful manipulation of human emotions, especially fear. In the past centuries, they have repeatedly utilized a contrivance that NWO researcher and author David Icke has characterized in his latest book, The Biggest Secret, as Problem, Reaction, and Solution.

    The technique is as follows: Illuminati strategists create the Problem- by funding , assembling, and training an "opposition" group to stimulate turmoil in an established political power (sovereign country, region, continent, etc.) that they wish to impinge upon and thus create opposing factions in a conflict that the Illuminati themselves maneuvered into existence. In recent decades, so called "opposition" groups are usually identified in the media as 'freedom fighters' or 'liberators' (recently the KLA-Kosovo Liberation Army).

    At the same time, the leader of the established political power where the conflict is being orchestrated is demonized and, on cue, referred to as 'another Hitler' (take your pick: Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Kadaffi, etc.). The 'freedom fighters' are not infrequently assembled from a local criminal element (i.e. KLA, drug traffickers). In the spirit of true Machiavellian deceit, the same NWO strategists are equally involved in covertly arming and advising the leader of the established power as well (the Illuminati always profits from any armed conflict by loaning money, arming, and supplying all parties involved in a war).

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    Just an overall intriguing site stating RAND CORP studies:

    < http://wiretap.area.com/Gopher/Library/Fringe/Ufo/web.txt

    A portion:

    "R & R and the Military Industrial Complex. The Rand
    Corporation became involved and did a study for the Base. Most of
    the lakes near Dulce were made `for' the Indians, via government
    grants. Navajo Dam is the main source for conventional electric
    power, with a second source in El Vado (also an entrance).

    Note: If Rand Corp. is the mother of `Think Tanks', then the
    Ford Foundation must be considered the father. Rand secrecy is not
    confirmed to `reports,' but on occasion extends to conferences and
    meetings. On page number 645 of the PROJECT RAND: Proceedings of the
    Deep Underground Construction Symposium (March, 1959) we read:

    "Just as airplanes, ships and automobiles have given man mastery
    of the surface of the Earth, tunnel-Boring Machines...will give him
    access to the subterranean World."

    Note: The Sept. 1983 issue of Omni magazine (Page 80) has a
    color drawing of "The SUBTERRENE", the Los Alamos nuclear-powered
    tunnel machine that burrows through the rock, deep underground, by
    heating whatever stone it encounters into molten rock (magma), which
    cools after the Subterrene has moved on. The result is a tunnel with
    a smooth, glazed lining."

    COSMIC AWARENESS:

    This Awareness indicates that this, using atomic energy in the
    process of heating these rocks, not only melts the rocks to allow for
    the tunneling to take place, but it reduces the magma of these melted
    rocks in terms of size so that there is very little or no residue
    which needs to be carried out of the tunnel, so that the hole itself
    is simply plastered up against the sides of the tunnel in a kind of
    melted shell.

    (FOLLOW UP QUESTION):

    That would account for the absence of great piles of dirt and
    rocks in that area, wouldn't it?

    COSMIC AWARENESS:

    This is in the affirmative.

    (CONTINUING WITH THE STATEMENT):
    "These underground tubes are used by electromagnetically powered
    "Subshuttle Vehicles," which can travel at great speeds. They
    connect the `Hidden Empire' Sub-City complexes. Also, the top-secret
    project code-named "Noah's Ark," uses `Tube Shuttles' in connection
    with a system of over 100 `Bunkers' and `Bolt Holes' which have been
    established at various places on Earth. With other bases inside the
    Moon and Mars. Many of these underground cities are complete with
    streets, sidewalks, lakes, small electric cars, apartments, offices
    and shopping malls."

    (scrolling a bit further)

    (READING CONTINUES):

    "There were over 650 attendees to the 1959 RAND Symposium. Most
    were representatives of the Corporate-Industrial State, like: The
    General Electric Company; AT & T; Hughes Aircraft; Northrop Corp.;
    Sandia Corp.; Stanford Research Institute; Walsh Construction
    Company; The Bechtel Corporation; Colorado School of Mines; etc.

    Bechtel (pronounced Beck-tull) in a supersecret international
    corporate octopus, founded in 1898. Some say the firm is really a
    "SHADOW GOVERNMENT"--a working arm of the CIA. It is the largest
    construction and engineering outfit in the USA and the world, (and
    some say, beyond).

    The most important posts in the U.S. government are held by
    former Bechtel officers. They are part of "THE WEB" (an
    interconnected control system) which links the Tri-Lateralist plans,
    the CFR, the Orders of `Illuminism' (Cult of the All-Seeing Eye) and
    other interlocking groups."

    Is that information correct?

    COSMIC AWARENESS:

    This Awareness indicates that this is in the affirmative; that
    you will recall, especially during the Reagan administration, the
    scandals associated with many of his cronies, and the connections
    with Bechtel; that in reviewing these, you will find the above
    information being pertinent.

    (Logical, if you scroll down the main page of this URL, you will see the conversation get to the subject of symbols--fyi)

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    More links and text I discovered today is within this thread from Norm's "UN" post:

    < http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=8345&site=3

    sKally, "VERY APOSTATE" klass...NOT a rocket scientist!

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  • sf
    sf

    (to the top)

  • sf
    sf

    Just found these megasites of links:

    < http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-schmitbo/purple/pc128.html

    < http://community-2.webtv.net/Kirk47K/THEILLUMINATIANDTHE/

    sKally, "VERY APOSTATE"...NOT a rocket scientist!

  • sf
    sf

    < http://williamcooper.com/newcoven.htm

    A portion:

    ..."This is from a book entitled, "Deliverance" by J. F. Rutherford <sp?>.
    It's published by the International Bible Students Association,
    Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Jehovah's Witnesses. On the title
    page under the title, "Deliverance", I quote:

    "A vivid description of the Divine Plan, particularly outlining God's
    progressive steps against evil and showing the final overthrow of the
    devil and all of his wicked institutions, the deliverance of the people,
    and the establishment of the righteous government on earth."

    And on page 14, under the heading of "Lucifer":

    "Amongst the mighty creatures of Jehovah God is the one first called
    'Lucifer'. His name means 'light bearer' or 'morning star'.

    "God's prophet speaks of him as the 'son of the morning'. It would be
    difficult to find words more descriptive of beauty.

    "It would be difficult to find words more descriptive of beauty.

    "He belonged to the heavenly realm and was therefore in the holy kingdom
    of God, and the description of him shows that he was shining forth
    amongst the others of that glorious place.

    "This description indicates that he was more showy than the other
    creatures of heaven. Of him, it is written that:

    "[Ezekiel 28:13-15:]

    "...every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the
    diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald,
    and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy
    pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

    "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so:
    thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in
    the midst of the stones of fire.

    "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till
    iniquity was found in thee.

    "When we gaze into the great space above us at night, we behold
    innumerable stars even with the naked eye. But with a powerful lens
    myriads of these balls of fire can be seen reflecting the glory of the
    great Creator.

    "Without doubt, this mighty one, Lucifer, all glorious and beautiful in
    his apparel, was privileged to walk up and down amidst these stars or
    planets and feast upon the marvels of the creation."

    Are you beginning to understand, ladies and gentlemen?

    The Logos, the active agent of God in the creation of all things, of
    course, created Lucifer. These two, Lucifer and the Logos, are
    designated in the scriptures as the "morning stars".

    In the same great religion that I told you about their ceremony in the
    temple, they believe that Jesus Christ and Lucifer were brothers, and
    that Jesus Christ had the last 2,000 years to succeed. And since he
    has not, the next 2,000 belong to Lucifer--almost an echo of the man
    quoted in the interview in "5-5-2000". I continue:

    "The Logos was always the delight of the Great Eternal One because of
    his faithfulness. Since the scriptures declare that all the creation of
    God is perfect (Deuteronomy 32:4) the presumption must be indulged that
    all these creatures in heaven were beautiful and glorious, dwelling
    together in peace and in harmony, and all giving glory and praise to
    God."

    "In the course of time, it pleased the Almighty Eternal One to prepare a
    place for the habitation of man, whom he then proposed to create. The
    record is:

    "[Genesis 1:1, 2 (not KJV):]

    "In the beginning God created the heaven and earth

    "And he made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a
    swaddling band for it.

    "In heaven, these creatures, no doubt, were informed that the planet
    earth was being prepared as a place for the habitation for the creature
    man whom God would create in His own image. And this knowledge must
    have greatly delighted God's heavenly creatures.

    "It is recorded that when God laid the foundation of the earth for man's
    habitation:

    "[Job 38:7:]

    "...the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for
    joy...."

    See Job 38:4-9. You see, the scriptures clearly teach that there were
    two--TWO--mighty creatures designated morning stars, to-wit: the Logos
    and Lucifer.

    "There must have been a great convocation of the glorious creatures of
    heaven at the beginning of the creation of earth, and it was at this
    convocation that the creatures were advised by the Creator of his
    intention and purpose to prepare a habitation for man, and to create
    man. And there these two mighty ones, the morning stars, sang together
    a song of praise to the Eternal One, and every one of the sons of God
    was so thrilled by the song that they shouted together for joy."

    So far as men know, there is no other planet that is inhabited. The
    creation of earth for man would be of most profound interest to the
    creatures of the heavenly realm.

    In the New Age Movement, the unicorn is seen as a symbol of
    transformation. Nancy Hathaway wrote this:

    "Not since the fifteenth century has the unicorn had such an enormous
    appeal. It is easy to see why.
    "In a world suffering from pollution, the unicorn can purify water with
    a single dip of its horn.
    "In a world where animals are becoming extinct, the unicorn can never
    die.

    "In a world where we might literally blow ourselves up at any moment,
    the unicorn harkens back to another time and a better life--the Golden
    Age.

    "The unicorn symbolizes sensitivity coupled with strength, the lure of
    sexuality in naturIn a time when the future is looking bleak, the unicorn is a symbol,
    not just of hope but of strength.

    "It tells us that the unattainable is worth striving for, worth
    searching for, worth believing in, even if it exists only in our minds."

    End quote.

    hahaha, maybe i AM a rocket scientist...i "feel" so smart right at THIS moment.

    sKally, "VERY APOSTATE"...yet....lololololol

  • mustang
    mustang

    What's the point of all this disjointed RAND-ism, overblown, not connected connections?

    The RAND Institute has nothing to do w/ the RAND CAM engine thing that keeps surfacing w/ regard to a GIFT to WTS. The RAND Institute is a business that caters to government research, and is funded by those contracts.

    The RAND CAM is a small company based on a limited invention (that has gone nowhere). It's on the Vancouver Stock Exchange ( everybody that's any body is; right, bunch of penny-stock wannabe's). This "connection isn't even strong enough to be described as
    'tenuous'. You have never made a connection between the two!!! As far as links go, this one is SEVERED.

    Using your methods the following bandwidth consuming waste of time still gets you the same place: nowhere.

    http://www.rand.org/about/
    RAND (a contraction of the term research and development) is the first organization to be called a "think tank." We earned this distinction soon after we were created in 1946 by our original client, the U.S. Air Force (then the Army Air Forces). Some of our early work involved aircraft, rockets, and satellites. In the 1960s we even helped develop the technology you're using to view this web site.

    As long as you are making connections using the strength of the keyword RAND, why not drag the really unrelated Ingersoll-Rand (and others) into the picture:
    http://www.ingersoll-rand.com/
    Air compressors, mining equipment, Bobcat tractors, paving equipment, deadbolt locks, golf carts and air conditioners.

    http://www.zdnet.com/computershopper/edit/cshopper/content/9711/cshp0115.html
    Don't forget Sperry-Rand, one of the seven dwarfs. Don't forget that Remington, the GUN-MAKER made typewriters, then Rand Kardex got into the picture. (I was at one of the Sperry-Rand divisions: no sign of the funny inventors engine or WTS.)

    http://www.rand-bright.com/
    These fine folks grind things.

    http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/pc/1516/ppro47.htm
    Ooh, MISSION CRITICAL, you're onto something. (That is, if you need an expensive computer.)

    The point is, it's gotten far afield, to where there is no connection to all these Smith & Jones collection of same name BUSINESS ENTERPRISES. Just because something is on the Web WITH A SAME OR PARTIAL NAME MATCH DOESN'T MEAN A CONNECTION. You've carried things a bit far, it seems.

    Mustang
    Just curious

  • sf
    sf

    Hi Mustang,

    I appreciate your "interest" in my threads, thus your reply. The "connection" is clear, TO ME, as I (eye) see "it". I have no idea what other's see. How could I in reality? There is NO way it can be done. Not even if I wrote every word I ever thought, would you still "see me" in full.

    As I've clearly stated in the other threads, since I began MY CHOSEN research topic, I HAVE MADE NO ATTEMPT TO HAVE OTHERS THINK ABOUT THIS "REVELATION" (again, as I (eye) see "it") with a gun pointed to their head. In fact, I am sure most skip them entirely. That's par for this subject. SOME do not skip them, yet read them. I do know that for a fact. I DID NOT CREATE THOSE PAGES! I only bring them for ALL to choose if they want to view it. WHY IS WTBTS RELATED TO EVERY THING I TYPE INTO THE ENGINE?! Coincidence? I don't know, therefore, I continue to SEARCH out what my mindseye (I) see as a critical connection.

    The 10k link is in my mail. I will fetch it aain or perhaps Nelly can provide link; she sent it to me.

    I respectfully beg to differ on the RAND cam and RAND ENERY not being "linked". I am only in babysteps of this search Mustang and I am enjoying mySELF and am feeling empowered for some strange reason..."knowledge IS power!" is the word. Word up!!

    Incidently, do you yahoooooooooooo?

    Sincerely, sKally, "VERY APOSTATE"...NOT a rocket scientist!

  • mustang
    mustang

    Skally,

    I've read EVERY link that you mentioned, in some cases YEARS ago. As I mentioned, I have even been in some of those places. Like the
    'commie under every bed', the Dubs just aren't lurking in or under every dustbin.

    Please provide some real connection between the strange, off-in-the-corner RAND ENERGY thing and Research & Development corporation. If you can't do that, then the air compressor, air conditioner, tractor, computer and grinder connections are just as good.

    BTW, I recall that Ingersoll-Rand sold air compressors in mines in the midwest in the mid 1800's. Should I make anything of this history, predating CT Russell?

    Mustang

  • sf
    sf

    Have you read this link:

    < http://www.geocities.com/wtcleanup/04Finanzen/08wtgbeteiligungen.htm

    I had babelfish translate it. It is a good site with the 10k blurbs on it!

    sKally, free will is da bomb klass and is "VERY APOSTATE"

  • mustang
    mustang

    Skally,

    I've seen the English portions of this elsewhere. NOt following German sites, of course, I haven't seen this particular one. I will endeavor to translate it, as time permits.

    I still see no connection to Research & Development Corp.

    I am familiar w/ the work of Research & Development Corp. I also spent a few years investigating an industrial engine of similar type to the RandCam. I find no direct match and little correlation.

    I see the DONATION OF A GIFT to WTS. This tells several things.

    One, WTS did not initiate this activity. Pure industrial operations are not their style, or 'thing'. Pure research and developemnt of an exotic engine, TO PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS OF A SUPPOSEDLY DYING WORLD SYSTEM is no where near the focus of WTS activities.

    BTW, their 'thing' is preaching and pedaling influence via religious dogma. The printing, while an industrialization, is secondary and incidental to their 'core competencies'. Take a look at Randy's (Freemind.org) essay on WTS operating efficiencies, while he was there. They just aren't that good at it.

    Should I 'cast judgement'? I happen to be a manufacturing Project Manager responsible for major factory upgrades. I would qualify as an 'expert witness' suitable to examine these things. I find Randy's report most damaging, as to WTS competency in the industrial arena. It is typical of those who go past the expertise of their core competency. Those groups tend to run things from an accounting standpoint, rather than viewing the best overall technological or manufacturing strategies. Again, their 'core competency' lies in the religious and psychological influence areas.

    Two, the donor kept the voting rights on this gift. Smart move, and standard practice. What does WTS know about engine development? What would happen to the donor in his business empire without those proxies in his pocket? He could ousted or even sued for competency issues. So, WTS DOES NOT CONTROL a military-industrial complex. They merely stand to benefit IF it takes off.

    TWO-A: IF it takes off. The very similar engine I investigated years ago has not taken off. Other established, familiar and cheaper technologies preempt both of these engines. Simply put, this is a 'white elephant'. I'll get back to this later.

    TWO-B: the military-industrial connection. (Ignore the RandCam direct possible military application, for the moment. It hasn't taken off: see TWO-A. Also, the primary target market is automotive air-conditioning.) This was all discussed on the original H2O, before it collapsed. There was some mention of smart-bombs and such from a SISTER COMPANY belonging (at least in part) to the donor. That is known as COMPARTMENTILIZATION. One fellow may control three companies. But some partner or entity involved in Company A has no control or influence in Companies B or C. WTS therefore IS NOT a participant in those activities.

    Am I a WTS exponent? By no means. But a juicy, rush-to-judgement grab at something inaccurate that you would like to hear doesn't do any good. Wishful thinking is just that.

    Three, Amazing summed up a real and valid reason for all this. The donor seems to be buying absolution for his conscience. He makes some things that are questionable. WTS is always looking for money. Greed and avarice soon sell principles down the river. The donor looks around and ponders the white-elephant project. All successful inventors/industrialists have at least one of these in their inventory. He makes this LIMITED donation, whereby WTS can only benefit monetarily. WTS looks the other way at his other endeavors.

    Simple as that. The other motives don't hold water. I await some real SOLID connections from your direction that show that they do.

    BTW, the last comment on H2O about this was someone (JanG??, don't remember) unearthing a conflict of ownership in RandCam. There was to be some court action over this. Re-read that link you posted, w/ the German. The percentages of ownership seem ambiguous. Was the gift fraudulent?

    Mustang
    what a tangled web, indeed

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