ExJW's Make Better Lovers?

by COMF 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • Free2Bme
    Free2Bme

    Hi
    I liked these points;

    If all my friends are exJWs, and I spend all my time in exJW-land, and attend exJW conferences, and so on, how would that be different from being a JW, only in reverse?

    I agree with you Seeker. I find it quite a comfort that my hubby has nil interest. He helps me laugh at myself. Like today I came home from library with 8 hefty books on Jesus and he just looked at them , raised his eyebrows and shook his head slowly...

    and Dannyboy

    But, am I the only person who's at a little bit concerned that I'd fall in love with an X-JW, who might then (god forbid) GO BACK to the dubs??? It ("returning") happens!

    Phew...that's enough to keep me away from xjw's. Unfortunately you could apply that same thought to friendships. I have just renewed a friendship with an old JW friend who is an ex and found it difficult to talk freely as she still believes and would be shocked if she knew my opinions! So maybe the definition should change to do fellow 'apostates according to WTBS' make better lovers.

    And as for sex...
    Well being an exjw with only worldly partners I can only say that years of not getting any makes you obsessive and demanding. But it does eventually wear off. Ah well all good things must come to an end...

    Free

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    I have never actually met any XJW until recently. The first one in 10 years and he's my partner at work! He won't talk much about his JW life and I don't pry. Since we aren't dating and we haven't had sex I can't say that I think XJW's make better lovers. Sorry! Although the fear of an XJW spouse returning does scare me. Maybe that's why dating an XJW doesn't appeal to me. It would be nice to have someone who automatically understands, but I like the fact that my current boyfriend has a different background than I. He grew up in a family that is loyal, loving, nurturing, and pretty (it's all relative!) healthy. He knows what it takes to have a healthy relationship - he's teaching me all the time! ;)

    If XJW's have a healthier than normal sex drive (and I feel I'm one of them!) I DO think it is because we've been so repressed for so many years. But I also agree with Maximus - XJW's may also have a better sex life because it's not just a sexual act (like the WTS teaches). It is an act of full revelation, intimacy, and personal sharing without fear of doing something wrong. It's been years since I've had sex - my boyfriend and I have chosen NOT to until marriage enters into the scene. (Yes, worldly people have moral codes as well! Whodathunked?) But I know that once we get to that point it is going to be fireworks for several reasons - we know each other emotionally inside and out and we've stood by PERSONAL convictions. Not rules set up by a religious entity.

    Everyone's comments are great! These are just my two cents,

    Billygoat

  • sf
    sf

    I've been "exed" 24 years now. Um.....

    Hey DB, dream of caliFORNICATION!

    sKally, "VERY APOSTATE"...

  • think41self
    think41self

    Hey Comf,

    Interesting post. Wasasister recommended I respond to this (and no I did not see the spelling error in my name so you are safe for now). I can only speak from my own experience. I agree so much with what Maximus said. For Doug and I, sharing the experience of leaving the borg, and learning to love someone unconditionally, and be loved that way in return, is the most emotionally intimate thing I can imagine, which of course is demonstrated in the physical displays of intimacy.

    Can you find this type of relationship with someone who has never been a JW? I'm sure you can. And as for the excess baggage exJW's might have, you take that risk with anyone. But of course the common bond of shared life experiences is very strong, so I think it helps.

    Seeker, I too have addressed the issue of whether I was just using this forum as a substitute "organization" and sometimes have backed off posting and reading here for that reason. In the long run though, I see that here I can be myself, and be accepted that way (at least by some) and I want to be available to help others coming out as I was helped. So, like Comf and Prisca, I think I will be around here for a long time.

    Comf, good luck in your "hunting". If I knew any sexy Texas gals, I would send them your way buddy.

    Tracy

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    I didn't realize this was a Personals board too! Ha! :X

    I'd love to meet other xJW in the DFW metro area, although I have no desire to date. Nothing personal...I'm already blessed with a fantastic guy in my life! Anyone up for a moment at Starbucks?

    Billygoat

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    After reading what comf said, does anyone know any single exjw women around Kansas? I just want to see if he is right!

    A recovering Jehovah's Witness. Kinda like alcohol, but not as fun. Just ask J. Rutherford.

  • thinker
    thinker

    Hi Comf,
    As a never-been-a-JW who married an ex-lifelong-JW, let me say that if a person is interested in a future with you then they will most likely want to understand your past. When I met my wife she was the first JW I knew. I never even had one knock on my door! I hadn't had any reason to want to know anything about the Org. Now, one year later, I frequent a JW forum and have devoted a large number of megabytes to WT research. I did this to better understand the person I love.
    Searching out ex-JWs might give you an opening for starting a conversation, but it won't guarantee a good match. Keep open to all possibilities. My wife and I are living proof that it can be a great match.
    As far as the question "Do ex-JWs make better lovers?" I must say "Yes..Oh yeeessss.. oh my god yesssssssss!!!"

    Hang in there and don't worry. I always seemed to meet women when I wasn't really trying.

    thinker

  • teejay
    teejay

    COMF,

    It's a question I've wondered about. The times I have gotten involved with women who weren't ex-JWs were enjoyable -- they were nice people -- but something was missing. There were areas of concern to me that I felt fairly certain they wouldn't understand. I always thought that if I was to have a long term relationship with them it seemed to me that their lack of knowledge about the religion would be a detriment.

    An ex-JW buddy of mine, after a series of flings, finally happened to meet a former Witness. Her hot body notwithstanding, the level of intimacy they have would be difficult were it not for the fact that she was raised in the truth and knew all about where he was coming from when others might not have had a clue (or even held him in derision). I could be wrong, but I think that to be truly at one with another, she'd almost have to know quite a bit about the religion.

  • COMF
    COMF

    VeniceIT:
    Ummm Comf is this a personal???? Maybe this should be in the Dating forum!!!

    Actually, it is personal in a way, Vennie. I had it rather pointedly brought to my attention that these are the kinds of things that make up a normal relationship: going shopping together, attending concerts and other entertainment events together, spontaneously taking off for a weekend out of town together, popping over to each other's houses on the spur of the moment, renting a movie for a Saturday evening... these kinds of things require that your lover live in the same town, or close by. It started me to thinking: while I'm sure Dallas has its fair share of eligible ladies, I don't recall ever seeing any exJW women from here.

    JanH:
    Been in the chat room again, old mate?

    Who... me?

    Prisca:
    If you happen to mention you used to be a JW, you get this look like you've got 3 heads or something!

    You know what I think is even worse? The feigned interest. You start off explaining something, and they have that focused, attentive look that says, "Yes, go on, I'm listening," and gradually you see it fade at the corners and their eyes glaze over and begin to roam around the room. If the topic is particularly impenetrable, they may even interrupt you to start talking about something totally unrelated.

    peaceloveharmony:
    if/when i ever hook up with an xjw, i'll be sure to send you a full report with pics

    Hey, why postpone a good thing? Send the report when there's something to report, but you can send the pics on now.

    orbison:
    well comf if your ever in vancouver, give me a call and we will see

    Duly noted and filed for reference, ma'amzelle! And if you want to shoot me a pic or two, my email icon's over there to the left.

    Simon:
    I am seriously dead when Angharad reads this...

    Yeah, Simon, but I get the idea that you enjoy living dangerously. :)

    wasasister:
    maybe you'll get a few more before this thread runs out.

    Does this mean you'll be posting again, sis?

    bboyneko
    Yeah, I was with an x-jw for a short while and damn it was HOT.

    I have yet to experience the passion of a lady ex, but they sure talk a good show. Check out the chatroom here sometime!

    ...to be with someone that has just enough in common with you that you are good friends but enough vastly different than you that your thoughts and beleifs are constantly put into doubt

    Yep. One of my favorite poetic passages is this, from Kahlil Gibran's The Prophet:

    Let there be spaces in your togetherness,
    And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.
    Love one another but make not a bond of love:
    Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
    Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.
    Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf.
    Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,
    Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.
    Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.
    For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
    And stand together, yet not too near together:
    For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
    And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

    mommy:
    Congrats to you single people out there Have a blast and Do not settle

    Well, okay... if you insist!

    Seeker:
    I worry about obsessing too much about exJW stuff... I don't want to fall into the pattern where my whole life revolves around the exJW lifestyle

    I used to worry about this, but I've made my peace with it. I'm happy doing what I do. The level of involvement here goes up and down; like you, I've left for periods of time more than once. I don't feel that it's controlling me; nor is it holding me back from living an active and rewarding life completely separate from JW/exJW issues.

    Cowboy
    I guess we think we're supposed to be miserable

    It isn't misery to me, Cowboy! Then again, I have to stop and remember, when I say "it isn't misery to me," that I haven't lost any family members to the org like many have.

    dannyboy:
    who might then (god forbid) GO BACK to the dubs?

    God forbid that I should be so imperceptive as to take up with a woman with that potential inside her.

    BoozeRunner:
    Actually, I feel that the relationships I have had since my exit have been pretty damn good

    Mine have had their good points, and all produced memories that I'll treasure. They ultimately ended because whatever was wrong overrode what was right. That can happen whether it be exJWs or "worldly people," as you pointed out.

    circe
    If he wasn't an ex-JW, I would first have had to explain what a car group was, blah, blah blah.

    Nickie was always willing to sit and listen. I would burst out laughing at something on the forum, and she's ask what it was, and then I'd have to go through a five-minute explanation just to enable her to see the joke. Of course, by then it wasn't funny anyway, but she'd laugh good-naturedly anyway, bless her heart.

    Englishman
    Well, we just fell on each other... and we were both happy to smile across a room at each other when we both had new partners.

    Ah, those wonderful moments when life is actually lived for the present instead of for some future time!

    Maximus:
    "Save the Tiger" Unless you already remember it.

    I do. But I'll rent it again on your recommendation. Jack Lemmon was a favorite of mine.

    The new post-JW dimension is a total intimacy, with full revelation of self, in which I understand and am completely understood.

    It takes a special kind of partner to be able to do that as a team, Max. You're in an enviable position (heh, heh). I congratulate you on having found and kept your compatible mate!

    Billygoat:
    I'd love to meet other xJW in the DFW metro area, although I have no desire to date. Nothing personal...I'm already blessed with a fantastic guy in my life! Anyone up for a moment at Starbucks?

    Yeah, buddy, we can do that! I know I can round up SixOfNine; I also know that there are a couple more Dallasites who post on here, but I can't recall who they are because they aren't very active. Maybe they'll see and we can arrange an outing.

    thinker
    As far as the question "Do ex-JWs make better lovers?" I must say "Yes..Oh yeeessss.. oh my god yesssssssss!!!"

    Hmm... sex so good, even the neighbors had a cigarette afterward? :)

    Hang in there and don't worry. I always seemed to meet women when I wasn't really trying.

    Thanks for the encourging words, thinker. Actually, meeting women has never been a problem... it's meeting someone with the qualities I'd like my partner to have (and who's available, and who thinks I have the qualities she wants in a partner) that seems to be difficult.

    teejay
    I could be wrong, but I think that to be truly at one with another, she'd almost have to know quite a bit about the religion.

    I'm inclined to agree. While my "worldly person" relationships were enjoyable and rewarding, there was this feeling that they would never be able to understand and identify with that part of my life. As Wasasister said to me recently, it would be like trying to understand and identify with the feelings of a holocaust survivor.

    So, everybody... ugh, the awful delimma: do I look for an exJW lady in a distant location and try to make a long-distance relationship work? (warning buzzer rings insistently) Or, do I look for a woman with all that self-esteem/honesty/love-of-life stuff, who nevertheless will never understand the JW aspect of my life?

    I dunno. Maybe both, huh? Maybe it'll work itself out. Maybe I worry too much. Maybe it's too late for me to be up still fooling with this. Good night, everyone.

    COMF

  • Cowboy
    Cowboy

    COMF-you misunderstood me.I was refering to marriage as sometimes
    miserable and some of us ex JWs still thinking there is no reason big enough to split up.

    I guess it was just a commentary on my view of marriage at the moment.

    Cowboy

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