The continuing saga of being in love with a Witness

by starcrossedpimp 33 Replies latest jw experiences

  • starcrossedpimp
    starcrossedpimp

    I don't know how many read my prior post "problems with JW girlfriend and her family", but I feel the need to continue the story as it is very current and is taking quite a toll on both of us.

    She and I also work together at a grocery store, so even if she does/did decide to break things off (because of her parents and the religion) we would still see each other (I'll get to this in a minute). We both know that we still love each other and that we deserve to be together, but can this religion be stronger than true love????? I will just cry while I'm driving because (typical of breakups) EVERYTHING reminds me of us- maybe not directly, but I can connect anything to our relationship in a few degrees of separation. My heart literally aches and I am desperate for her, but How do I show her that when she is telling herself "she shouldn't even be talking to me"? What do I do when I can look at her and see what she is trying to make herself not talk to me or avoid me, but I know she loves me. Do you know how much this hurts?

    The hardest part is that we didn't "split up" because one of us did the other wrong. Isn't this why relationships don't last? because the people just aren't compatible together- right? Well we had a phenomenal relationship- we never argued, we wanted nothing more than to always be with each other- everywhere. Towards the end of December (before her parents found out) we were talking about moving in together and we knew that is what we both wanted.

    Another problem is that I think her parents, who have cut her off from all contact with me, are trying to tell her that if I really loved her, I would start studying the Bible with the witnesses. This is something I am about to do too....I am desperate and I think that it would be fair if maybe I just went to a meeting or something (because she DID go against her "beliefs" for 10 months)- just to show them that I really do love their daughter. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. Her parents are ridiculously strict (they are from poland and have only lived in the U.S. for 20 yrs.) I don't want to lose her, but part of me thinks that this could be some ploy to just get me to be a witness. I need honest unbiased advice- i don't want to hear the word cult or anything. I know there are a lot of bitter people, but I feel like this is the love of my life and I would do anything to have her. Please keep this in mind.

    Anyway, about four nights ago, I went into our workplace to get my schedule. She was working and I went up and talked to her. She smiled and said "I was just having a conversation with you in my head for the past hour." I guess this means they didn't brainwash her feelings away. So we continued to talk and she said that she might have to transfer to another store (just because of our situation). I got pretty mad and asked her if this was HER OWN DECISION. She hesitated and said, "Well, it was suggested" I started to walk away-She was crying uncontrollably- I WAS FURIOUS! I guess out of sight, out of mind is the reasoning. She said that it is too painful to have to see me every day. I think this is more of a female thing than a religious thing. So I didn't walk away, we talked more and then went upstairs to the employee lounge. We ended up hugging and then she said "I want to be with you for the rest of my life". We ended up kissing and this is after she had a judicial committee grant her a reproval if she indeed changes her ways. This tells me that the fear is toward the human organization and not to God. Because if it was toward God Himself, she would be much more fearful of Him seeing her performing this "satan-like behavior". (You know -like kissing the one you love?) So that was that.

    Last night she drove by my house but didn't stop. Today I saw her at work and she just smiled nervously and looked away quickly. I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO_ SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE- THIS IS THE LOVE OF MY LIFE.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    I dont' think it is dude... I'm sorry but time does heal all wounds...

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    What the hell if she is the love of your life go study! Worse case scenario you become a dub and hate all of us but you get the girl right! Go for it...

  • kls
    kls

    I feel for you but what do you want us to say? Studying to be in a cult to make someone happy is suicide and for her to leave the cult to be with you will cause her to be shunned by her family. If you force her to leave the cult when she is not ready will tear you both apart. There is no answer and i know you love her but there is no answer except to wait it out till she makes a decision but remember her family is jws and with that pressure you may not get the ending you are hoping for



  • what_Truth?
    what_Truth?

    Your post suggests that you don't know quite as much about the Jehovah's Witnesse organization as you think. Let me bring you up to speed on a few things.

    You said that a judicial committee will grant her a reproval if she changes her ways.

    A judicial committee is a group of JW elders who are confronting a person who is accused of committing a "serious" sin. While dating a non-JW is seriously looked down on it is not something that would warrent a judicial comittee UNLESS you guys have been having sex or engaging in "loose conduct" (I.e. fondling each other). It seems likely that she either confessed it or someone from the church has been spying on you two.

    When a person faces a judicial committee there are one of two possible outcomes.

    1) The person can be reproved. This happens when the person repents of the wrongdoing and the elders feel that it won't be committed again. The reproval involves the suspension of certain "privlidges" such as preaching and giving sermons. The reproval will also be announced in front of the whole congregation

    2) The person will be disfellowshipped. This happens when the elders feel the person is not repentant for the wrongdoing. This involves indefinetly cutting the person off from all other Jehovah's Witnesses INCLUDING FAMILY. The disfellowshipping will also be announced in front of the whole congregation

    In this case the "reproval" the elders have offered her is really an ultimatium. They want her to choose between breaking up with you and being cut off from her family and every friend she's ever had. As you can imagine this can be extremely devastating for a person. (My mother went through a similar dilemna with her boyfriend)

    The other option is, of course, for you to start studying. Keep in mind though that conversion is never taken lightly by the JW's. Before you can be considered a member you have to be baptized. To have your baptism you will have to apply to the same elders that formed the Judical Committee on your girlfriend. They will seriously question weather or not your conversion is based on genuine faith or your girlfriend. They will spy on you to make sure that you are upholding their standards. if they have it out for you then they will do whatever it takes to find fault in you. If they don't find any fault they may invent it.

    My advice would be to NOT study with the JW's. I can tell you from past experience that it is a no win situation. Tell your girlfriend about your decision and let her work it out herself. Tell her you'll accept her decision no matter how hard it is. I wish I could tell you something better, but them's the breaks.

  • mkr32208
    mkr32208

    I don't know, I had a young friend who was a ministerial servent and liked a "worldly girl" she studied and was babtised they got married about 10 min later and haven't been near a kh since... a REAL SUCCESS STORY! LOL

  • Globetrotter
    Globetrotter

    MKR32208 I haven't posted in quite while, but I still visit the boards from time to time. I felt in this case I would just invite you to read the following thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/64494/1.ashx (sorry I don't know how to hyperlink it) It is a long thread... 6 pages, but it will give you several insights on mixed relationships, and some of the JW beliefs in a nutshell. I hope it helps. While it hurts, my advice is to run away. It's just as easy to fall in love with a non-witness as it is a witness. Good luck.

  • mule
    mule

    U need to provide some more info about your situation. Is she baptized? How old is she? How old are you? Do you intend to marry her? How seriously does she believe in the JW or is it she is more afraid of the parents? Keep in mind the JW have no law against marrying an outsider as long as there is no hanky panky going on beforehand although the marriage would be strongly discouraged. Sounds to me from your post that the 1st order of business is to get her away from the parents who it appears have entirely too much control over her life and mind. This may be difficult to do though if both of u are minors. Like I said I need more info to give u the proper advice.

  • Bryan
    Bryan

    I don't understand. Why should you change to make a love. Wouldn't you rather be loved unconditionally?

    The best to you guy, but I don't get it.

    Bryan

    Have You Seen My Mother

  • Nosferatu
    Nosferatu

    I need honest unbiased advice- i don't want to hear the word cult or anything.

    Allright, I'll give you direct and straight dating advice, no word of the WTS mentioned.

    You're basing your foundation of all your happiness on another person instead of youself. Now what happens is when that person removes themself from your life, your building of life and happiness comes crumbling down.

    You've decided that you're going to devote yourself to her religion because it will make her and her parents happy. You've quit focussing on the things that make you happy, and decided to base all your happiness on her existance. If you continue to do this (as you have been), you're going to be miserable for the rest of your life. You'll be in a religion you never wanted to be in all because of her being your focus of happiness. She should be a person who ADDS happiness to your life, but she's taking it away because you've put all your happiness into her hands, and now she's pulling away.

    If you still think this is a woman thing rather than a controlling religion thing, go to sosuave.net and ask for advice there.

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