Fifty Per Cent Of Personal Bankruptcy Claims in US Due To Medical Costs

by hillary_step 51 Replies latest jw friends

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    The real problem with the US though is how letigious everyone is and the whole legal system is just a drain on society.

    We all hear this conservative propaganda constantly. There are two sides to this issue. Please look at both sides.

    The book I mentioned above, I'll give you the title when I get it, shows that lawsuits account for only a tiny percent of soaring medical costs. And most of those suits are against a small percent of doctors, incompetent doctors. It's a myth that unecessary suits are coming in epic proportions.

    There are other reasons why the malpractice insurance of doctors is rising.

    http://www.americanvoice2004.org/health/malpractice.html

    This page gives both conservative and liberal views. The conservative view is well driven into all of our brains by the media. Scroll down to read the other side of the issue, Hillary and Simon. We all know that both parties are full of spin, but it's interesting information to ponder. This is an eye opener.

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Simon- I concur!

    Litigation is THE problem in the US. It has permeated all areas of our society. My children and their friends even joke on an almost constant basis about suing someone or some company. Many actually feel this is a viable way to move up financially- to sue someone! It's deplorable.

    People actually hope they get in a "no-fault" car accident, it's viewed like winning the lotto or sweepsteaks!

    Of course in a lawsuit happy environment you want to sue someone worth suing- doctors are the BIGGEST targets. This certainly needs to change. I've seen people on welfare not worth a dime and on Medicaid, sue their doctor for MILLIONS and win! What's most deplorable is when it's not even life threatening or vital. For example a woman had her toe-nails removed for being ingrown. She sued and won because the doctor took a nail that was heading toward being ingrown but not quite there yet- he did it as a favor to a poor woman... she sued and won $60,000.00 FOR HER F'N TOENAILS!!! They grow back!

    u/d (of the land of the greedy class)

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Simon,

    Actually, the US isn't an affluent country. It is a country with a small percentage of very affluent people. Citizens of many, many other countries are much better off because they have social and medical welfare that everyone contributes too. A completely private system does not work IMO (or at least the US model doesn't).

    The US is the most affluent nation on earth in terms of GDP, at 10 trillion dollars a year. It is shame that its most vunerable citizens, and its beleaguered middle-class have been caught between the wheels of a health-care Frankenstein. As you note, Social medicine does work, though not perfectly. There are models of such schemes in many European countries.

    FlyingHigh,

    Thank you for the link - very interesting reading. I am also aware of the Canadian view of the US reactions to allowing its citizens to purchase its medicines from Canada at a lower, but still expensive price. Bush pronounced that the reason for this is that there was no way of checking whether the medicines were defective, ignoring the fact that these medicines are manufactured in the satellite plants of US manufacturers.

    Tell. me. If a person has been diagnosed for example with a cancer and receives treatment under their insurance scheme, what happens in the following year? Does the insurance company raise its premiums, or can it even refuse to cover that person again? One of my very close friends who is a musician in the US retired at thirty after a successful run in the 70's. He then had a motor cycle accident and had been refused insurance due to a drugs charge in the late 60's. His treatment virtually bankrupted him. The US medical system it seems to me, is as close to Russian Roulette as one can imagine.

    Best regards - HS

  • czarofmischief
    czarofmischief

    Addendum: Depending on what state you live in, there are greater or lesser degrees of socialized medicine. My state, Pennsylvania, is pretty good along those lines. Others, like vermont, are better.

    The thing about crises is that they come to a head sooner or later. Maybe this is the groundwork for Hillary in '08 - if she's smart.

    CZAR

  • fairchild
    fairchild
    (Simon) Actually, the US isn't an affluent country. It is a country with a small percentage of very affluent people.

    I wholeheartedly agree with that.

  • fairchild
    fairchild
    (eyebrow) But there is some free coverage here for the poor. Medicaid isn't perfect by any means, but I have to tell you it helped me out a lot when I was a single mother. I have a friend that has 5 kids, and it covers all of them.

    Yes, but there are people like me who are not considered 'poor' and medicaid won't help because they earn 'too much'. However, 'too much' for their standards isn't enough to afford paying for your own benefits. It are people like me who fall between the cracks of the not-so-perfect system. I can't afford health care, I earn a decent living so can't get the help people with a low income have, but all I do is give every other cent I make to hospitals and doctors. It really makes me mad.

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    To me the real "bitch" of it all is when someone tries to give away medical service or someone who isn't licensed but knows enought to help is literally thrown in jail- for practicing medicine without a license.

    As mentioned earlier- I can go to Mexico and get advice and medicine DIRT CHEAP! Buyer beware of course!

    The Docs, Drug Companies and hospitals LOVE their monopoly and will use Gov't to keep it sacred and PROFITABLE.

    Why aren't doctors like auto mechanics? If they can't "fix" it you don't pay! If the repair doesn't work he re-repairs it no charge.

    The whole schpeel of protecting American Citizenry from "bad" drugs is BS! They don't want profit walking out the backdoor! Vioxx, Celebrex, Phen phen etc.. all went through FDA approval and passed. If that's the case the Gov't should oultaw candy as it rots teeth and destroys the health of the populace at large- it's about the MONEY!

    Remember this is the same Gov't that outlaws "weed" and subsidizes tobacco.... see the picture.

    u/d

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    I had to file bankruptcy in 1998. I developed FybroMyalgia (a pain syndrom - basically a pain in the arse and everywhere else). I could no longer work. My husband emotionally abandoned me until I finally had enough and left. I had some long-term insurance, for a year, but I could no longer maintain my debt without a salary. So to ease my stress I filed. Believe me, as one who has worked her arse off the become a self-supporting citizen of the United States after being a highschool pullout and raised to be a wife, this was really emotionally difficult, but necessary.

    Today I live with my boyfriend (spousal unit) of 7 years. The government agencies in Oregon allow for health insurance coverage to be extended to "partners". BUT since the Feds don't, the value of my added coverage is added to his paycheck, taxed for the feds, then removed! What a crock! He also has a medical plan where he can put in pre-tax dollars for additional medical costs. But since we're not married, it can only be applied to his bills.

    He gets some of it back, as he can claim me as a dependent on his taxes.

    At least I have health insurance AND my wonderful Kevan pays my deductible and co-pays. At least until my Social Security Disability claim is accepted (going on 2 years now). Then I'll pay him back.

    What gets me is that where "the rest of the world" has put caps on their Rx and medical care costs, we in the US have to pay for all of the medical advancements, chemical and prescription meds research and development and short-fall. Real fair, huh? I just wonder what the 82 + billion that has gone into Iraq could have done for medical and education here. Congress would have never passed it.

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    The sad news is that any money not spent on war IS NOT SPENT ON HEALTH CARE!

    Politicians send money toward their constituents, not toward what is "best".

    I think back on all the money spent on "education", very PC and "good". What a load of BS. My kids schools have recieved TONS of new money from diffrent programs and the only things that have changed is more Coke machines, name brand fast food is now allowed in and tons of laptop computers (purchased NOT donated). The kids are dumb as rocks!!!

    Einstein didn't have a laptop.

    Profiteering and profit making are always done under the guise of somethingn"PC". See beyond the smoke and mirrors. It's all about the $$.

    u/d (of the forever cynical class)

  • bebu
    bebu

    (((fairchild))) I feel for you. A good fix is needed desperately for middle-class.

    Addressing malpractice... Malpractice is supposed to be insurance against truly incompetent/negligent doctors. What is happening instead, as U/D pointed out, is that malpractice is being viewed as a lottery with high earning potential. Trial lawyers don't charge unless they win, so there's nothing to stop person without integrity from trying. Now I feel like ranting here, so...

    ...I read about how there aren't (supposedly) so many frivolous cases... but even the "minor" ones that happen ALWAYS have tremendous impact. And why do I know so many doctors who have suffered from stupid lawsuits, if they're so uncommon? The obstetrician who delivered one of our sons was called in to deliver a woman in an emergency C-section, a woman who had never come in for any prenatal care--even though she was covered under medicaid. He nicked her bladder in the operation, but sewed it up; she never knew there had been a nick except that he told her later. He saved her life and the life of her child... and she sued him for $$$$ for nicking her bladder. He settled out of court. His malpractice rates soared. He is still an obstetrician, but refuses to handle women who never had prenatal. Guess why? All it takes is one greedy person. Why should we expect doctors to keep extending their necks after being burned?

    ...Three years ago a guy came into the hospital here from an accident, paralyzed. He underwent an operation which was not guaranteed (which operation ever is?) to succeed, but he left the hospital walking with a cane. The docs were very happy. But... he sued, because he had to use a cane! Now, beside the financial losses, another result is that the surgical group who operated on him has sworn to never perform that particular surgery again. You would have to go to the hospital outside of the county for that---ooops, sorry, they shut down the closest one 3+ years ago, but not because of malpractice problems, but because medicaid payments were lowered while the govt steadily added many new mandates (requiring new paperwork, new staff, more overhead). Which is another problem entirely... ... So anyway: don't become paralyzed around here...

    My point is, simply having a case at all causes rates to rise, even if docs win or settle out of court, because the doctor was is viewed as a liability forever in that state. ANY lawsuit, even the ones that get dismissed, cause a financial ripple, as well as intense emotional drain on doctors.

    ...The surgeon who worked at my husband's clinic was sued even though she followed protocol to the letter. She could have easily won the case if it had gone to trial. But it was more expensive to go to trial and win (for both insurance co. and the doctor, due to losing office/surgery time) than to simply settle out of court, she was asked to do that, with the promise that her rates would not rise. They lied. She was too emotionally drained to take them to court and win; it was easier for her to leave the state. Her marriage could not stand the toll of all this trauma.

    (Not every doctor, lawyer, patient, or insurance company is evil. Most docs and patients are honest, I think, otherwise the system would have been shut down long ago. I'm not so sure about the lawyers and insurance co's. Also, I do realize that malpractice is ONLY ONE facet of this headache of a puzzle. Research and new medical treatments make costs rise, as does rising requirements which have grown the average clinic staff ratio. For example, 15 years ago there were 4 surgeons, 4 nurses, and 5 other staff in the clinic; now there are 6 providers, 5 nurses, 1 lab tech, 2 x-ray techs, and 35 varied staff to handle all the reception, billing, and other required gov't paperwork/regulations! )

    ...Social medicine: If medicaid patients were to see docs who were paid by the gov't, and if those docs could be protected from lawsuits by agreements that all disputes would be handled by arbitrators/mediators instead, then maybe lots of winners could emerge from this: affordable medicine, happier doctors, patients who are able to get medical care, maybe even less paperwork. Lawyers would stop chasing ambulances and look for worthy criminals. If there's a chance for socialized medicine to take a foothold here, it might first be tested and tried here, I think.

    But what do I know. But I'm done ranting... I do like hearing about other experiences--successful or not.

    Sorry again!

    bebu

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