I have nothing to back this up but I say JC died at sundown....so that's be what? 6pm or 6:30pm? I say sundown because that seems like a good time to go. Seems almost poetic, eh?
At what hour was Jesus Crucified?
by gumby 45 Replies latest watchtower bible
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RunningMan
It would be a little much to expect the Bible to pinpoint the exact time or even day of Jesus death, considering that it can't even narrow down his birthdate to the closest decade.
Oh, and I was deeply offended by your earlier comment. I have edited the offending words, so as not to exacerbate your wrongdoing:
Pole.....jesus wan't in the army ya kn*cklehead! Sh***sh!
My cousin was a kn*cklehead, and he was a fine man. What if his widow should happen to read this board? And, as everyone knows, sh***sh is a thinly disguised euphamism for shit.
Guards!
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Deputy Dog
Nark
Joh 19:14
- And it was the preparation of the passover,.... So the Jews (x) say, that Jesus suffered on the eve of the passover; and the author of the blasphemous account of his life says (y) , it was the eve both of the passover and the sabbath; which account so far agrees with the evangelic history; but then this preparation of the passover was not of the passover lamb, for that had been prepared and eaten the night before. Nor do I find that there was any particular day which was called "the preparation of the passover" in such sense, and much less that this day was the day before the eating of the passover. According to the law in Exo_12:3 the lamb for the passover was to be separated from the rest of the flock on the tenth day of the month, and to be kept up till the fourteenth; but this is never called the preparation of the passover; and was it so called, it cannot be intended here; the preparing and making ready the passover the evangelists speak of, were on the same day it was eaten, and design the getting ready a place to eat it in, and things convenient for that purpose, and the killing the lamb, and dressing it, and the like, Mat_26:17 there is what the Jews call פרוס הפסח , which was a space of fifteen days before the passover, and began at the middle of the thirty days before the feast, in which they used to ask questions, and explain the traditions concerning the passover (z) : but this is never called the preparation of the passover: and on the night of the fourteenth month they sought diligently, in every hole and corner of their houses, for leavened bread, in order to remove it (a) ; but this also never went by any such name: wherefore, if any respect is had to the preparation for the passover, it must either design the preparation of the "Chagigah", which was a grand festival, commonly kept on the fifteenth day, and which was sometimes called the passover; or else the preparation for the whole feast all the remaining days of it; See Gill on Joh_18:28 but it seems best of all to understand it only of the preparation for the sabbath, which, because it was in the passover week, is called the passover preparation day: and it may be observed, that it is sometimes only called "the day of the preparation", and "the preparation", Mat_27:62 and sometimes the "Jews' preparation day", Joh_19:42 and it is explained by the Evangelist Mar_15:42 . "It was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath"; on which they both prepared themselves for the sabbath, and food to eat on that day; and this being the time of the passover likewise, the preparation was the greater: and therefore to distinguish this preparation day for the sabbath, from others, it is called the passover preparation; nor have I observed that any other day is called the preparation but that before the sabbath: the Jews dispute about preparing food for the sabbath on a feast day, as this was; they seem to forbid it, but afterwards soften their words, and allow it with some provisos: their canon runs thus (b) ;"a feast day which falls on the eve of the sabbath, a man may not boil (anything) at the beginning of the feast day for the sabbath; but he may boil for the feast day; and if there is any left, it may be left for the sabbath; and he may make a boiling on the eve of a feast day, and depend on it for the sabbath: the house of Shamtoni say two boilings; and the house of Hillell say one boiling.''
Bartenora on the passage observes, that some say the reason of this boiling on the evening of a feast day, is for the honour of the sabbath; for because from the evening of the feast day, the sabbath is remembered, that which is best is chosen for the sabbath, that the sabbath may not be forgotten through the business of the feast day. The account Maimonides
(c) gives of this matter is,
"on a common day they "prepare" for the sabbath, and on a common day they prepare for a feast day; but they do not prepare on a feast day for the sabbath, nor is the sabbath,
מכינה , "a preparation" for a feast day.''
This seems to be contrary to the practice of the Jews in the time of Christ, as related by the evangelists, understanding by the preparation they speak of, a preparation of food for the sabbath; but what he afterwards says
(d) makes some allowance for it:
"a feast day, which happens to be on the eve of the sabbath, (Friday,) they neither bake nor boil, on a feast day what is eaten on the morrow, on the sabbath; and this prohibition is from the words of the Scribes, (not from the word of God,) that a man should not boil any thing on a feast day for a common day, and much less for the sabbath; but if he makes a boiling (or prepares food) on the evening of a feast day on which he depends and boils and bakes on a feast day for the sabbath, lo, this is lawful; and that on which he depends is called the mingling of food.''
And this food, so called, was a small portion of food prepared on a feast for the sabbath, though not less than the quantity of an olive, whether for one man or a thousand
(e) ; by virtue of which, they depending on it for the sabbath, they might prepare whatever they would, after having asked a blessing over it, and saying (f) ,
"by this mixture it is free for me to bake and boil on a feast day what is for the morrow, the sabbath; and if a man prepares for others, he must say for me, and for such an one, and such an one; or for the men of the city, and then all of them may bake and boil on a feast day for the sabbath.''
John Gill
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LittleToe
Setting aside Didier's comment about which day it was on (of which I concur - he never ate Passover):
- Matt.27 has no time placed for the crucifixion, but afterwards there is darkness from noon till 3pm (when he expires).
- Mark 15 placed it at the third hour segment (sometime between 9am - noon).
- Luke 23 concurs with Matthew.
- John 19 places it about noon.
Given that there had to be a trial, sending back and forth between Herod and Pilate, release of Barabbas, scourging, cross carrying, impaling, and argument with the two thieves, I think it's fair to say that it would likely have been after 9am.
Given that there was an argument with the thieves and some commentary by the Jewish leaders, before the darkness from noon, it's also fair to say that it was before high-noon.
Also given that John's account was likely the last, and he's only adding supplementary material, I doubt he's intentionally contradicting the others. He's just recording it as he recalls it, as one of the few eye-witnesses (assuming it was the same writer as saw the events).
If you keep this up, Gumby, I'm gonna have to start writing a counter series, nitpicking texts in the bible which are really useful. Hitting on all the supposed contradictions and negative statements is a little one-sided, doncha-know...
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gumby
If you keep this up, Gumby, I'm gonna have to start writing a counter series,
Hafta start? LT ....you started a long time ago. I can always count on yer arse to be there in a bible topic thread! I though believers might think my questions to be a good thing so all can see there is really no contradictionms or discrepencies in the bible. Just like Jepthahs daughter.......there was no contradiction anywhere.......he burned his daughter to Jehovah.......something Jehovah was supposed to abhor. No contradiction...just proof the bible is full of emu poo poo.
BTW....nice to have you back from Dallas cuz it's where the devil lives!
Gumby
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Iforget
Ok Valis...I just read this at work and we are all DYING LAUGHING. I have to copy it to email for another co-worker. None of which are ex JW's...but they appreciate the humor!!!
Thanks for the laugh!
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LittleToe
...just proof the bible is full of emu poo poo.
Ya mean that just like any other account of history and myth, it's full of ideas that are hard to corrulate with modern mores?
BTW....nice to have you back from Dallas cuz it's where the devil lives!
That would explain why I felt so at home
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gumby
LT...hugs to you buddy
Ok Valis...I just read this at work and we are all DYING LAUGHING. I have to copy it to email for another co-worker. None of which are ex JW's...but they appreciate the humor!!!
Valis is a sick bastard.....he ain't funny. What if gumbys children saw him crucified like he depicted? The liitle fella's would have nightmares forever!Thanks for the laugh!
Gumby
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Leolaia
A spork cross? Priceless!
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Valis
What if gumbys children saw him crucified like he depicted?
um everyone know's The Lard & Salivator GumbChrist never had sex..
A spork cross? Priceless!
Leo I now expect a 4 page treatise on the word origins of spork.. Sincerely, District Overbeer