What happens when a JW wants to be with a non JW? PLEASE RESPOND

by kristina24/7 40 Replies latest social relationships

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex
    so what does this tell me?

    That you have entered a very grey area. Officially once someone is expelled from Jehovah's Witnesses, no one (not even family) is allowed to communicate with them whatsoever. I haven't talked with my father in 14 years (and I'm not even excommunicated).

    Honestly, your boyfriend sounds very confused about this religious sect. I don't think he is aware of what all he is facing if he decides to defy them. That's not unusual for someone raised in this sect. Just realize that if he leaves, his family will be put under tremendous pressure to conform (read: shun their son).

    I believe you when you say you love him. Back before color was invented I was 16 too. I remember what it was like.

    Only know that this sect exerts a great deal of pressure and guilt on its members. They are not interested in God, only in obedience. Therefore they will say what they have to say, and do what they have to do in order to get what they want. And if they want your boyfriend to obey they will (and he doesn't) they will expel him and force his family to ignore him the rest of his life.

    Ask yourself, in that scenario how will he feel? How will you feel?

    I'm sorry if I'm coming on strong, I just want you to understand what you're dealing with.

    Chris

  • beebee
    beebee

    As a mom of two teen girls and a woman who still remembers the passions of teen love, I can say that I do genuinely believe that your feelings are as intense as you say they are. I do not want to take away from that with what I am about to say. I will also say that at 16, it is a FACT that neither of you has enough life experience to make major life decisions.

    I read an article in Time Magazine a few months back where they've now done research that demonstrates that the teenage brain doesn't fire synapsys the same way a more mature brain does. In other words, it supports what every parent of a teen already knew - that from a teen's perspective you really think you know everything, yet it is truly not possible yet for you to have a mature perspective. Teens react far more often on emotion. When it comes to marriage and the rest of your life, you cannot afford to make decisions on emotion alone, you have to truly be able to step aside and look at the practical side of things.

    For example, you talk of being in a magnet school (usually this means gifted kids, so I am assuming you are above average in intelligence and academic ability) and wanting a career somewhere in the medical field. Did your friend explain to you that the JWs discourage higher education? As my bf explained it, there are two reasons for this: 1. they don't want their members to take on careers that demand too much of them because it is MORE important for them to spend their time putting in hours preaching (btw..JWs are required to put in time ministering), and 2. there's little reason to prepare for the future because the end is near. Armageddon is upon us (per their teachings) and those who have excepted their teachings (and ONLY their teachings) AND who obey all the rules and put in enough hours preaching will be saved and enter the new system. The rest of us - WILL DIE.

    Yeah, you read that right, if he is a true believer and he loves you, if you don't become a witness, and if your children aren't witnesses, you are all doomed. That belief is one of the biggest things you will deal with because if he believes, it will tear his heart apart. If he leaves and his family believes, it will tear their hearts apart. A loving child has a very tough time doing that to their family, and if they try, the guilt heaped on them is overwhelming.

    This is no ordinary religion where you can call yourself a member, and still live as you choose or on the fence. It's IN or OUT.

    So in addition to all the normal youth related caveats against getting too serious at your age (which pretty much anyone over 25 is going to warn you about), you have this added, enormous elephant in the room.

    He can't date you unless he wants to marry you. At your ages, you need to be thinking about building careers and a life before you can build a family. If you were 26, then maybe you should be dealing with the JW thing and figuring out if there is a solution, but at 16, you really should settle back and enjoy your friendship and not tie up your heart so young.

    Yes, you've had some lemons for relationships, this probably doesn't come as much of a surprise to you - teen boys suck! (at least they do when it comes to committed relationships) And just to be fair, I'm sure you've seen plenty of girls pull some mighty brutal tricks on the guys too. The teen years are full of raging hormones and LEARNING how to have a relationship. It takes most of us years, if not a lifetime to develop the skills to have a truly rewarding relationship.

    Yes I do believe your love is intense, that's a direct result of the hormones and brain chemistry of a teen. However that intensity will blind you to common sense. At your age, relationships aren't meant to last a lifetime so enjoy the intensity but resist the urge to believe it is truly deeper or stronger than it is.

    He's far too young to try to choose between you and his family, and what little you've said indicates he doesn't know where he stands on his religion. He MUST FIGURE THAT OUT HIMSELF.

    You each must grow into adults first. Enjoy your friendship, a good friend is something to be treasured, but step back on the romance until your lives are on clearer tracks. Until you each find your individual life tracks, you cannot determine if they mesh.

    Does that make sense? I tried not to get too preachy, however like many on this board, we've lived through it, and watched others we love go through it. There is life well beyond 16 for most of us. You have only begun to grow and the changes you will experience in the next decade are so enormous, you will not be the same person then as you are now. Neither will he.

    I sense by your posting here, that on some level, you already know it isn't going to work, but letting go is so hard. I don't know if this helps, but letting go of someone you love, especially when they are a good person, because the timing is wrong or they are just the wrong person doesn't really get any easier with age. The only thing that changes is the addition of the wisdom of knowing what constitutes a real deal breaker, and that odds are he is not your last love.

    Trust the world and have faith in YOURSELF. He is not likely to be even remotely your last chance or your best chance of a loving relationship.

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    My dear,

    You're so very young. For your own benefit, you must take this time in your life to concentrate in school and other extracurricular activities until such time that you've fully developed physically, emotionally, and mentally.

    DY

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    Welcome. This is a difficult subject. I can recall being totally in love at your age too and it seemed very right at the time. I can only tell you that years later I can't even remember what the guy looked like and it took me a minute to even remember his last name.

    The trouble is your BF has a lot of baggage from being raised up as a JW. There will be a lot of stress put on your relationship because of it. He is probably is very confused about who he really is at this point in time, which makes him a lousy candidate for being involved in a serious relationship. He needs to figure out whether or not he wants to be a JW or not. You wouldn't want to be the unbelieving wife of a JW husband . The man is the head of the woman in the JW organization and is head of the household too and makes most of the desicions in the household. JWs teach that the woman is to be submissive to the man. If you did happen to marry and your BF follows the JW model of a husband your life could be hell. Lots of JW men are on power trips and love to be in control and the religion enforces this behaviour.

    Be careful. Hope you can work it out in your mind and heart.

    Love, cybs

  • rwagoner
    rwagoner

    he did say that his sister was expelled, or w/e, and he said his mother and family stil have contact with her... so what does this tell me?

    It depends....if she still lives at home then that is acceptable...

    He said it wasn't forever its just to give that person time to .. I don't know I guess reflect or see what mistake he made?

    People who are disfellowshipped and shunned can ask to be reinstated after some time has passed but they have to repent and discontinue the wrongdoing they were accussed of in the first place.

  • boycrazy101
    boycrazy101

    HI. I'm 16 too. I?m actually a "boarder line" Jehovah?s Witness. When I say boarder line I mean, I?m still looking for answers and trying to figure out where I?m going with my life. I was raised as a JW and all my family are witnesses. I stumbled onto this site when I looked on google and put "Define: Jehovah?s Witnesses. I read a lot of people?s questions and skimmed over the ones I felt were less than obvious questions. However, yours hit very close to home. I had a boyfriend who wasn't a JW and we were in LovE. We had a promise ring, and to be honest we did have sex. My parents don?t know, but they did know I was obsessed with him, so we moved. That?s when I started looking into other religions. Trying to figure out, what the heck any of them had to do with me. I did find it like another world. Feeling like Jehovah?s Witnesses HAD to be wrong. or what many on this site, referred to as a cult. My question to everyone on here then would be, why would you consider it a cult? Many other religions tell you- to talk appropriate, act appropriate, follow the bible, don?t associate with BAD association. I mean aren't those the fundamentals of every religion? The difference here is JW's enforce it. I don?t like some of their ideas and such, but I really don?t like a lot about other religions. So to answer your question. If your bf was truly a JW he wouldn't want to be with you, because you?re considered "bad association" even if you?re the nicest girl in the world. If you don?t believe in the bible or are a Christian, tech. no Christian is supposed to be with you. "You can?t slave for two masters" and it also says something about sharing the yoke or something I don?t remember. But again, I?m 16 and there are a ton of other guys out there. But if your like "NO WAY! HES THE ONE." why don?t you look more into the religion. And I know other people on here are like RUN AWAY. And that?s probably because they have issues from why they were shunned. Most likely because they weren't doing what the bible said to do, and honestly should you be doing what you?re not supposed to be doing- haha I sounded like a mom there! Well, I?m sorry it?s so long, but that?s my theory and kind of my story. Good luck- just don?t think it?s a cult or anything. People have a naive perception of something they don?t understand. Much ♥

  • Golf
    Golf

    K24/7 OK, here goes. What worked for me doesn't mean its going to work for you. I've known my wife since childhood. We went out when we were teenagers, younger than you. I got married outside the faith. We Have six grown children and we're all alive and doing well.

    As I said, it worked for me but it doesn't mean it will work for you. Situations of this nature have no guarantees. The question is, what are the odds?


    Guest77

  • kristina24/7
    kristina24/7

    OK here goes again. Doubtfully Yours what you said most fit for what i feel, what i'm scared of and what i know. And everyone else who has replied. Yea I suppose you can say i did know it wasnt going to work however that doesn't make up for the fact that I love him. I tried talking to my mom....again. W00t W0t that was fun. Bottom line is she said no without even considering the fact of me even allowing to be friends with him. I understand life isn't fair but I don't think it 's meant to be fair anyways because then everything would be perfect. With perfection I guess there's no need to work for anything. Anyways, I had already made up my mind and I am actually going to let it go. Well for now anyways. I figured if this love is really something to work for then I better fight for it when I'm at a right, mature state of mind. I know I'm a strong person for my age but I don't think I'm THAT strong emotionally yet. I'm not close minded or naive and yes your oppinions and experiences have actually made a difference and have meant a lot to me. I am not judging this religion for those of you who are border lining it or maybe about of it. All I'm saying is I never thought something someone holds belief in could hurt anyone this much. I never thought this would be something to have to deal with and hold so much pain in my heart. Whether the pain or love I hold is true or completely hormonal it doesn't mean I don't feel it. All i have to say is this ...

    For those of you reading this or who have responded and speak from experience. I am sorry for ANY of you who have had to actually go through it. With the conflicts with this religion, or families or pain. I can't believe how much pain i feel now and i didn't even continue to persue fighting with it. i will never be able to imagine the magnitude of pain any of you have had to go through and for that I am truly sorry. I know that might not even make a difference but I just hope to let you know you probably helped me with a decision that could haveeffected my whole life, yes I guess i knew what i had to do already however you guys shoved me a lil more. May God, or life, bless you for no matter what i really think eventually in time Good things DO happen to good people.

  • beebee
    beebee

    Kristina, you sound like a very mature young lady. I wish you the best.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Boy, kristina, that really is a mature reply. Way to go. You do have the freedom to let your boyfriend down easy, since you are obviously a very compassionate young woman.

    Boycrazy, I'd like to address this comment:

    My question to everyone on here then would be, why would you consider it a cult? Many other religions tell you- to talk appropriate, act appropriate, follow the bible, don?t associate with BAD association. I mean aren't those the fundamentals of every religion? The difference here is JW's enforce it. I don?t like some of their ideas and such, but I really don?t like a lot about other religions.

    I don't think you dug deep enough. I live in both worlds, JW and a regular Church. The externals are about the same (reception hall, washrooms, podium, seating) but the difference is in the details. My church study materials have big white spaces to write my own thoughts. All I need for a WT magazine is a highlighter for the "right" answer. I am never free to voice my ideas at a Kingdom Hall. Only "good" things are allowed to be said about the speaker, meeting, or the materials presented. At my church, I freely discuss my questions and differences of opinion. THAT behavior is not considered BAD.

    Boycrazy, I have a question right back. Why does the Watchtower society consider alternative opinons to be the ultimate sin?

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