Men who lie with men..... (page 8)

cindykp

Just because your gay chappy, doesnt mean you agree with child molestation, grow up!

Big Tex

If the subject is changed to pedophelia, the majority of the pro-gay "arguments" would apply. Does that make it right? There is a limited but growing group of people who are pushing this agenda. 20 years ago it was a limited but growing group promoting gay rights.
What say ye o' gay-rights aficionatos; will sex-with-children rights be fashionable to you 20 years hence?
chappy

I'll say this once: HOMOSEXUALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEDOPHILIA!!!!!!!!

Dammit, how many times must we have this conversation?!

The men who raped me when I was a child were straight. They were married to women. You got that chief? They weren't gay, they were straight. But they also liked little boys. The other abuse survivors I know, were also abused by "heterosexual" men.

Get this through your thick skull: one has not-a-goddamned thing to do with the other.

I'm sorry but this sort of attitude really pisses me off.

chappy

I didn't say that pedophelia was the same as homosexuality. All I implied was why doesn't the same argument apply??? Don't read something in that isn't there!

chappy

Big Tex

Plus it is a proven fact that homosexuality does spread disease.

I see. You do realize that in Africa and in many parts of Asia AIDS is a heterosexual disease. In point of fact, some countries of Africa are facing zero population growth due to mainly to the fact that so many heterosexuals are dying from AIDS.

ValiantBoy

Thanks, Big Tex. Ditto here. My family kept me away from homosexual cause they were sinners. They had to be afraid of them. But it was a married hetero sexual man who abused me.

The difference in these issues is consent. Two adults consenting to sex is one thing. An adult taking advantrage of a child is a totaly different issue. It is rape. Using force, intimidation, or trickery, or just playing on naivete to secure sexual partners will never be acceptable to me.

As far as homosexual acts being disgusting, I understand that fully. The thought of having sex with a woman is physically repulsive to me. SO I can understand that aspect, but just because we find something distasteful does not mean it is wrong.

Big Tex

I didn't say that pedophelia was the same as homosexuality. All I implied was why doesn't the same argument apply??? Don't read something in that isn't there!

Then DON'T even think of bringing child abuse into this discussion. If you lack the intelligence to be able to differentiate between homosexuality and pedophilia, then stay the HELL out of this thread.

This is extremely offensive not only to the gay community but to abuse surivovrs. If you have nothing better to offer then stay out of this thread.

I listened to idiots like you ridicule me for years. I'll tripled damned and sent to hell by God himself before I'll put up with your shit now.

cindykp

Great comeback Valiant Boy

My sis will be rollin on the floor when she reads that one

LittleToe

Chappy:The same arguments don't apply because it can't be said to be between consenting adults...

Big Tex

But it was a married hetero sexual man who abused me.

I'm very sorry to hear that Valiant Boy. Truly I am.

As far as homosexual acts being disgusting, I understand that fully. The thought of having sex with a woman is physically repulsive to me. SO I can understand that aspect, but just because we find something distasteful does not mean it is wrong.

It's all in perspective isn't it? I don't find the idea of men particularly attractive, but I hope I'm open minded enough to realize that there are many men who do.

This thread reminds me of a 400 year old quote:

I am a
Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed
with the same food, hurt with the same weapons,
subject to the same diseases, healed by the same
means, warmed and cooled by the same winter
and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we
not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you
poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall
we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we
will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong
a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If
a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance
be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The vil-
lainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard
but I will better the instruction." Merchant of Venice, Act 3, Scene 1, lines 55-76

Gretchen956

Well of course you all knew I'd finally chime in here! You know the topic was originally about a scripture from the Bible, and I guess assumes that all of us still have judeo/christian belief systems. We all do not.

Did Jesus condemn homosexuality? No, he did not. The only one to write about it was Paul. Many reject all of Paul's writings for many reasons (his writings were added what in the 3rd or 4th century after much politics). Paul also didn't like women or marriage and thought everyone should be celebate, for that matter.

Most of you know I am gay I do not make any attempt to hide it. But that was not always the case. Because as a young girl my older brother came out. He was 18 and I was 11. It made a big impression on me. Before he came out I saw the hell he went through, the bullying and the beatings from other school kids back in those days. I heard the furor among my JW family, I saw the battle, I heard the condemnation. The funny thing is, I was always a fighter, always independent and a free thinker, but when it came to this I guess the fact that I was gay too was just too horrible to contemplate. Never mind that I was a tomboy, never mind that it was women who I was attracted to, I was trained up for and raised to find a man and get married. Now in my teens I "fell away." And during that time I had my first sexual experience with a man.

Is that what all the hoopla is about, I thought? I really did not enjoy it at all. So, I thought, perhaps I'm just doing it wrong. I found other partners. I finally found a guy that I thought would be a good husband (boy was I wrong, very abusive), and I got married and had my obligatory offspring whom I love very dearly. Still never found sexual fulfillment within heterosexual sex. I was married for 15 years and during that time I was back in the organization for most of that time. But when the elders told me that my abusive husband treated me that way because I was doing something to make him act that way, I knew that the time had come to leave them and him.

But I still had not given up on trying to be straight. I got married again. It is what we are SUPPOSED to do. This time was a mistake from the get-go. We had many problems. At that time in my life (early 40s) I started reflecting about it all and what it all meant. The one thing that I had always heard was that if you had a "weakness" that satan would find a way to use it to tempt you. Why had he never thrown a woman in my way that I had found attractive and wanted to have sex with (a real woman, not the fantasy kind that I had had)?

We got a divorce, I came out to him and to myself and to the world. For the first time in my life I felt that a HUGE burdon had been lifted. I could be authentic, I didn't have to live a lie anymore, and I could be happy. I have been a much less angry person, I stop and smell the roses, and I truly enjoy life. And I had my first orgasm at 42 with a woman. Now maybe thats too much information for you, but it was an ipifany for me. I have been with my partner for 3-1/2 years. I love her very much. I fully expect to be with her for the rest of my life.

Having had a heterosexual partner and a lesbian partner, is the lifestyle any different? For the most part, no. I still cook most of the meals, I still clean the house and do the laundry. I still work in the yard and take my dog for a walk. I go to work each day and watch tv or movies. I don't go to bars or pick up strange women. I was monogomous and I still am. But you can't imagine how freeing it is not to have to pretend. And as you get older and your life is busy and you have aches and pains, you don't always even have sex as often as you'd like no matter what your sexual orientation is.

To those of you who find it disgusting I just have one thing to say. Get over yourself. It isn't about you. And I am not defined by who I sleep with as to my worth as an individual. If you don't "associate" with gay people I can only express my sympathy. You are most likely " associating" with way more gays than you think. We aren't all stereotypical flamers.

And the argument about pedofiles and that whole slippery slope is a crock. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other and is simply an emotional red herring.

Peace,

Sherry

Men who lie with men.....

Share this