by Ianone 121 Replies latest jw friends
truth ....
thanks for that link. i've heard about this guy and always thought 'suicide' while investigating what could be the greatest criminal act IF PROVEN TRUE
... always seemed a little too convenient to me. i mean, think about it, if you're trying to prove the most powerful leader in the world has just murdered 3000 of his own citizens
how hard would it be for him to stop you?
when there's smoke ... there is always 'something' getting burnt. there are no real coincidences anymore.
stained,
uhhhhh...this is a web forum. What more do you want? Should I go and knock on your door and offer the latest issue of "Conspiracy" magazine?
tatt, cute. it just seems to me you and ianone keep basicly repeating yourselves in an effort to either convince yourself and/or others there was or is a conspiracy in action. Well, there very well may be and very likely has been, but, like i said, what can you do about it? convince others? not unlike the jws in their effort to convince others the world is ending, oh so very soon now. simply strikes a note with me and therefore my comments. peace.
stained,
Except we dont preach that you need to put in x amount of hours and listen to everything we say or you will die.
I'm glad you have an open mind about this. You may find all this ranting useful for you sometime down the road.
That's all. There's nothing else we can do at this point but be somewhat aware and keep in in the back of our minds.
Heatmiser, I'm going to assume you've been an ironworker (assume I say) tell me, is it possible to connect steel without bolts? If so, how?
No I am not an iron worker, my stepdad was most of his life. that is the person that I was thinking you might know but he worked west coast all his life.
To answer your question. Yes it is possible to join steel without bolts, but in structural fabrication that is the most common (and most likely the best) as it is the cheapest way to go labor wise. Other ways to join steel are riveting. pins and welding (although I have never seen pins in anything but a temporary connection). I am not a structural expert and although you have a good deal of knowledge in building construction as an iron worker, you and I both know that the designing of structural joining is a whole special field all unto itself. My specialty is in Naval ships, so almost everything is of the welded variety in my field. Although Damage control isn't my rating, I do have extensive schooling on the subject of keeping the ship survivable with battle damage which includes structural failure and fire damage.
As to heat from the plane, I'm not an expert on that, are you
The simple question of what happens to steel in heat should be an easy question for someone with the amount of experiance you have as an iron worker. Plus this statement conflicts with this one:
My computer is acting up. Ok, for you folks who don't know about structural buildings let me shed some light. I've erected a number of skyscrapers and let me tell you, the weight, the thickness and the amount of bolts holding these structural pieces together is something to behold. All these columns are encased in concrete, another point to consider.
I had personal relatives erect the WTC. This building wasn't designed as a regular building. The middle core wasn't as solid as your normal structural building, this had trusses. I never thought the building would collapse in the manner it did. As a structural steelworker this wasn't the norm. This type of collapse had the makings of being bombed.
With all of your experiance I am shocked that you of all people would fall for this crap. WTC 1,2 and 7 all had unique design characteristics that along with damage and fire is what led to the collapse of these buildings. What happens when a truss fails? It sure as heck doesn't fall outward. It collapses inward. 1 and 2 failed in 2 different ways and when they did, the undamaged part of the building could no longer hold it's integrety as the damaged portion collapsed on it. Causing the floors pancacking onto each other in a cascading effect.
Why you don't beleive the engineers that designed the building and did the failure analysis is beyond me. Do you think that there was enough explosive charges place throughout 3 buildings to bring them down and NOBODY NOTICED? It would take MILES of DETCORD alone and hundreds of lbs (if not more) of explosives and NOBODY NOTICED.
I wasn't making a personal attack against your post and I am sorry you took it personaly. I have been following the conspiracy threads closely and no matter what evedince is presented that counters the conspiracy claims it gets blown off and called a bunch of lies. So I take it as my right to do the same to the conspiracy guys at thier own game.
Heatmiser
Scientific teams simulated the fires from jet fuel at WTC, using similar steel in the WTC, and concluded that the steel did not melt at the tempertures speculated to have reached before the collapse. Let me get the article.
Also, if you were paying attention to the video, firefighters said that there were smal fires, adn that they were contained. This angers me, cause the NWO killed (Murdered) everyone in the building, not to mention the pending invasion of Sovereign arab nations.
Wow Golf sure put heatmiser in his place. Heatmiser didnt really refute anything in that last rambling tour de force
stained: everytime this thread gets a response it gets to the top of the list on active topics. almost 8 hits in a matter of a few hours. That is good exposure. When it comes to exposing the NWO, any exposure is good exposure. I gurantee it, at least one person has woken up because of this threat or any of the other threats, myself, Gofl, and Truth about the truth have put up.
A watchman on the wall who sees danger, yet does not sound the trumpet will have the blood of the injured on his hands. From Ezekiel 33:6
Golf and TATT, see danger here already and more coming. Keep Standing Firm in the Truth, Christ Jesus.
Ignorance is not a valid excuse.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
America will continue to be destroyed as long as ignorance prevails. Piece by piece, Constitutional erosion, more patriot acts, microchips, cell phone towers, hand scaners, iris scanners, fingerprint readers, check stops,, it never ends
opps, i mean 800 hits
i dont understand why people become so blindly defensive when people present conspiracy theories, believe them or dont its up to you, there's no point in trying to convince the other that their belief is wrong. just dont post and move on.
personally i have always thought that the whole 9/11 thing was just a little bit too convenient but we probably will never know the entire truth. the conspiracy theories that people get so riled up about probably have as much truth to them as the official US govt version of events.
