Will married partners reunite at resurrection? And what does that imply. (page 2)

Country_Woman

WELCOME

the marriage vows are - till death do us part.....

They are no longer married ....

cyborgVision

That is certainly an interesting article nicolaou. However, checking all scriptures that were referenced I cannot but wonder if that is correct understanding.

Firstly, Sadducees have correctly understood Hebrew teachings and expectations. Hence, they were asking about Earthly hope of resurrection. Hebrew scripture that this article outlines seem to at least in principle confirm what people up to Jesus? time have believed about resurrection. So, question they asked was in place. Jesus seems to be correcting their understanding in the matter by referring to heavenly resurrection. Scriptures that were taken from New Testament certainly do not give a hint that people are to expect earthly resurrection.
Read scriptures below and judge for yourself. And how 2 Cor. 4:4; Mark 10:30 confirm earthly hope for mankind is beyond me.

Having, said that I understand what Lord ?s Prayer says with reference to the earth. Nonetheless, that can?t be really discerned from Jesus? answer about the resurrection.

Can it? Someone correct me please!

here are the scriptures:

Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ?Jehovah said to my Lord: ?Sit at my right hand (Acts 2:34)

19 Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness for the way of entry into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20 which he inaugurated for us as a new and living way through the curtain, that is, his flesh
(Hebrews 10:19, 20)

31 As regards the resurrection of the dead, did YOU not read what was spoken to YOU by God, saying, 32 ?I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob?? He is the God, not of the dead, but of the living.?
Matthew 22:31

37 But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed, in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah ?the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.? 38 He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.?
Luke 20: 37, 38

11 Truly I say to YOU people, Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.
Matthew 11:11

////This is the only scripture that has some weight toward WTs argument but it could be still understood as saying something completely different. E.g. referring to Johns current status or alike/////

cyborgVision

Thanks for the welcome Country_Woman :)

BluesBrother

welcome Cyborg !

i can only vouch for the conformation of the WT teaching on the matter. And I must confess to having drawn away from a personal belief in the paradise New World, so I guess the subject is rather acedemic.

I do know that a lot of dubs have difficulty with that teaching and privately even senior members will admit to a 'wait and see' attitude. When I was an elder I used to reason thus with people.

q] What is marriage as distinct from friendship? a] a sexual union

If there is no sexual consideration among the ressurected, then what is to stop them living together should they chose to do so?

Nb If it were not this way , then a wdow or widower today would feel obliged ro wait and remain single untill the ress so as to get dead one back. would that be right?

BTW I have found lots of good reasons to discount the JW 'reasoning on the scriptures' sadly after many years of service. Keep asking , I am sure the real truth will come ... Keep posting

Qcmbr

Well just for my pennysworth, I think if our marriage is so critial to us and apparently God(he instituted it biblically) then surely that must be part of heaven. I love my wife and kids and to have that relationship dissolved would just be hell (no matter how lovely everything else was.) Just as I think life is eternal I think marriage and families can be as well. When Jesus was resurrected he was able to eat food, so I presume we'll still be able to use our bodies for physical things like to have sex and do all the things that a body can do. If we aren't to enjoy our bodies for eternity there is no point in the resurrection. It would be acrues trick to play to have everything based around families (ie God is our Father in Heaven - we are His children) and then say yah boo sucks really just yanking your chain.

Of course being LDS I do have the idea of a temple marriage (for time and all eternity) and unfortunately I have to agree that western secular marriage does normally state within the vows 'till death do us part' so legally I guess there is no standing in heaven to continue. Bummer:(

tijkmo

hy cy...you seem to have started this thread twice...and i posted a bunch of articles on the other thread for you to consider....

something else akin to this subject is a marriage nowadays where one is of annointed and one is not...

1...why would j. choose a replacement annointed one from a couple happily married and looking forward to living forever together on earth...how does the other partner feel about this

2...why would any of the gb who are telling us that the end is so near choose to marry someone of the earthly class knowing that it cannot last very long...surely that is selfish and unloving

3..imo it is also becoming unevenly yoked....the thinking behind not marrying someone not one of jws is they may have such an emotional effect on you that you dont want to live forever without them and therefore you lose sight of the goal....but someone of the annointed could do the same and not want to leave their earthly wife when its time to go to heaven....tijkmo

cyborgVision

Good point, thanx BluesBrother. I like your reasoning. I'm not sure what to believe myself anymore, but I'm sure truth must be out there, somewhere ... anywhere :) And thank you for welcome!

cyborgVision

First of all I want to apologies for accidentally posting this question twice, well I?m just a newbie so I hope I?ll be forgiven ;)

Thank you tijkmo and purplesofa for excellent feedback in the clone thread.
CLONE THREAD

I think this question hits right into the nerve of what each one of us holds dear and what in reality we all want to live for, marriage, children or some shadowy existence, or in essence what is the real purpose of life.
If we want to believe the Genesis account then it would also imply that at least theoretically Adam?s and Eve?s marriage would last forever.
And the purpose was?, well to have children and populate the earth. This is consequently a natural tendency of all people anywhere to see that as the ultimate way to happiness as Qcmbr's comments well illustrate (thanx for the post by the way :)). No wonder that then many JW struggle with the concept of having only angel-like existence, primarily because angels would be of completely different sort (asexual or male-like-only creatures).

Reason why I posted this question was because of seeing many people quietly suffer because of whole confusion and WT apparent inability to set the matter straight.

Narkissos

The WT doesn't care to understand what the debate on "resurrection" was about in the 1st century.

The Sadducees who reject the doctrine of resurrection misrepresent it as "earthly," rising the question of "marriage".

The Pharisees (in that case, Jesus') answer is that resurrection is not "earthly," so that the question is moot.

Funnily enough, the WT has mistaken the Sadducees' strawman for a true description of Pharisaic "resurrection", and inscribed the Pharisaic answer into it as an additional curiosity: "earthly resurrection" yet "no marriage". No wonder JWs are uneasy with that.

tijkmo

to be fair though..cy...this is a dilemma that is not unique to jws....lots of happily married couples outside the org ask themselves and their partners whether they would get remarried if one died...it is a question fraught with danger because either answer could be misinterpreted....and whether a witness or not nobody is truly convinced that they would be reunited in an afterlife...at least the org stance does allow someone to pursue another mate if that be their desire before they get too old and perhaps regret that they waited........i know my wife is still waiting for me and i not even dead

so any way a wife asked her husband if when she died and he got remarried would he give his new wife her clothes and hubby said no obviously not..anyway he wasnt getting remarried....so she asks but if you did decide to would you let her wear my jewellry..no of course not.....what about my golf clubs she persists...dont be daft..says the husband..shes left-handed

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