Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-17-05 WT Study

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-17-05 WT Study (March 1, 2005 magazine issue date)

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    WISE GUIDANCE FOR MARRIED COUPLES

    "Let wives be in subjection to their husbands as to the Lord. Husbands, continue loving your wives."?EPHESIANS 5:22,25 (NWT)

    22 Wives, understand and support your husbands in ways that show your support for Christ?25 Husbands, go all out in your love for your wives, exactly as Christ did for the church--a love marked by giving, not getting.?EPHESIANS 5:22,25 (MESSAGE BIBLE)

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    Opening Comments

    Last week, the WTS would like us to believe that few JWs have problems with their marriages. But looking around the congregation, how many truly happy couples are there? And that doesn?t count the ones that no longer attend that congregation that have separated, divorced, and/or been DF?d.

    Things to ponder as you peruse this article.

    How has the guidance for married couples changed back and forth in the Bible?

    Adam: one wife, Eve

    Lamech: first recorded polygamist, 2 wives

    Noah and his sons: back to one wife

    Abraham: 2 wives at the same time

    Jacob: 4 wives at the same time

    David: 8 wives at the same time

    Solomon: 1,000 wives at the same time

    Christian elders: only one wife allowed

    Why were the Israelites commanded to send away their foreign wives and children?

    At length EzĀ“ra the priest rose and said to them: "YOU yourselves have acted unfaithfully in that YOU gave a dwelling to foreign wives so as to add to the guiltiness of Israel. 11

    And now make confession to Jehovah the God of YOUR forefathers and do his pleasure and separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives."

    EZRA 10:10-11

    These all had accepted foreign wives, and they proceeded to send away wives along with sons.

    EZRA 10:44

    Why could Israelite men divorce their wives for reasons other than adultery?

    Insight Book Volume 1

    p. 640 Certificate of Divorce.

    It should not be concluded from the later abuses that the original Mosaic divorce concession made it easy for an Israelite husband to divorce his wife. In order to do so, he had to take formal steps. It was necessary to write a document, to "write out a certificate of divorce for her." The divorcing husband had to "put it in her hand and dismiss her from his house." (De 24:1) While the Scriptures do not provide additional details on this procedure, this legal step apparently involved consultation with duly authorized men, who might first endeavor to effect a reconciliation. The time involved in preparing the certificate and legally implementing the divorce would afford the divorcing husband opportunity to reconsider his decision. There would have to be a basis for the divorce, and when the regulation was properly applied, this would logically serve as a deterrent to rash action in obtaining divorces. Then, too, the wife?s rights and interests were thus protected. The Scriptures do not disclose the contents of the "certificate of divorce."

    Why were Israelite women not allowed to divorce their unfaithful husbands?

    Insight Volume #1

    p. 640 Divorce

    Her position is further shown by Deuteronomy 24:1-4, which pointed out that the husband might divorce his wife but said nothing about the wife?s divorcing her husband. Being considered his property, she could not divorce him.

    When the elders and ?mature? sisters point out that God hates a divorcing; what does that mean?

    For he has hated a divorcing," Jehovah the God of Israel has said; . . .

    MALACHI 2:16

    If it is true that God hated a divorcing in Malachi?s time, why were points 1 and 2 allowed above?

    w02

    5/1 p. 17 Jehovah Hates the Course of Treachery ***

    Those men were obtaining divorces on illegitimate grounds, wrongly leaving the wives of their youth, likely to marry younger or pagan women.

    Notice how the WTS does not detail what were the legitimate grounds in Malachi?s time. Think about it, it couldn?t be adultery because adulterous women were killed not divorced.

    Why wasn?t until 1947 that the WTS told its male members that they could no longer have multiple wives and be a member in good standing?

    w95

    9/1 p. 25 "Love Never Fails"

    But until 1947 when the missionaries came, polygamy was common in the congregations. Polygamous brothers were told that they had married more than one wife in ignorance. So if they had two or three or four or five wives, they could keep them, but they should not take any more. That was the policy we (the WTS) had.

    And let us apply the WTS guidance in the future. In the organization there are many more women than men, and many of them are single women unable to find JW husbands. With the resurrected people not marrying and only JWs today surviving into the new world of the WTS making, who will these women marry? Grown up children of the survivors? Men from the same small pool that exists today? Will there be new light and polygamy once again be allowed?

    START OF ARTICLE

    Paragraph 1

    Jesus said

    that marriage is the yoking together by God of a man and a woman to be "one flesh." (Matthew 19:5,6) It involves two people with differing personalities learning to develop common interests and working together toward common goals. Marriage is a lifelong commitment, not a casual agreement that can be lightly abandoned. In many countries, divorce is not difficult to obtain, but in the eyes of a Christian, the marriage relationship is sacred. It is ended only for a very serious reason.?Matthew 19:9.

    Jesus said

    Finally Jesus enters the picture. How long he will remain we will see.

    Learning to develop common interests

    I thought this was done before the marriage started?

    Casual agreement that can be lightly abandoned

    In many countries

    Such as Hispanic countries, people don?t get divorced; they just move in with someone else. So while divorce is not easily obtained, it does not result in more stable marriages.

    Christian buzzword meaning only Jehovah?s Witnesses

    Paragraph 2

    One marriage counselor said: "A good marriage is a process of continual change as it reflects new issues, deals with problems that arise, and uses the resources available at each stage of life."

    Now who is this person, what are their credentials as a marriage counselor and what is the title, date, and page of this quotation? Same source as last week, still no attribution. If the WTS quotes from a non-JW clinical psychologist and specialist on divorce, can its members seek non-JW marriage counselors?

    The Good Marriage : How and Why Love Lasts
    by Judith S. Wallerstein , Sandra Blakeslee , page 24

    "... is within the couple's power to nurture the marriage and prevent its deterioration. A good marriage is a process of continual change as it reflects new issues, deals with problems that arise, and uses the resources available at each stage of life. ..."

    Editorial Reviews

    Amazon.com Inspired by the hope that the experience of satisfied husbands and wives might provide useful lessons to others, Wallerstein, a clinical psychologist and specialist on divorce, and Sandra Blakeslee, who writes frequently for The New York Times, interviewed 50 predominantly middle-class, northern California couples who had been married nine years or more and had at least one child. These strong marriages flourish, they argue, because every partner confronted a series of psychological tasks including separating emotionally from the family of childhood, carving out his or her autonomy and creating an environment where anger and conflict could be safely vented. The couples reveal their interior lives in rich, explicit detail.

    For Christian spouses, those resources include wise counsel from the Bible, support from fellow Christians, and a close, prayerful relationship with Jehovah. A successful marriage endures, and over the years, it brings happiness and contentment to husband and wife. More important, it brings honor to Jehovah God, the Originator of marriage.?Genesis 2:18, 21-24; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Ephesians 3:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:17.

    Christian or fellow Christians ? buzzword meaning only Jehovah?s Witnesses

    Wise counsel from the Bible

    As interpreted by the WT publications and the elders

    Endures
    1. To carry on through, despite hardships; undergo: endure an Arctic winter.
    2. To bear with tolerance

    Yes, sounds like a situation that brings happiness and contentment.

    Imitate Jesus and His Congregation

    His Congregation

    This means only the 144,000, anointed, FDS/GB, etc.

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    Two thousand years ago, the apostle Paul gave wise counsel to Christian couples when he wrote: "As the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, so let wives also be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, continue loving your wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it." (Ephesians 5:24,25) What fine comparisons are expressed here! Christian wives who keep in humble submission to their husbands imitate the congregation in recognizing and observing the headship principle. Believing husbands who continue to love their wives, whether in favorable or in trying times, demonstrate that they closely follow Christ?s example of loving the congregation and caring for it.

    Christian couples, Christian wives, but believing husbands

    From now on you can substitute, only Jehovah?s Witnesses

    Imitate the congregation

    By being in subjection to Christ or the WTS congregation?

    w02 10/1 p. 19 Cultivate Obedience as the End Draws Near ***

    By submitting to the slave class, God?s people also show their subjection to the Master, Jesus Christ.

    w90 11/15 p. 20 True Love Is Rewarding

    If we love Jehovah, we will humble ourselves under his mighty hand. (1 Peter 5:6) Love for him will also move us to submit to his chosen instrument, "the faithful and discreet slave."

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    Christian husbands
    are the heads of their families, but they too have a head, Jesus. (1 Corinthians 11:3) Hence as Jesus cared for his congregation, so husbands lovingly care for their families in a spiritual and physical way, even if that takes personal sacrifice. They put the welfare of their families ahead of their own desires and preferences. Jesus said: "All things, therefore that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them." (Matthew 7:12) That principle applies with special force in marriage. Paul showed this when he said: "Husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies?No man ever hated his own flesh, but he feeds and cherishes it." (Ephesians 5:28,29) A man should feed and cherish his wife with the same diligence that he feeds and cherishes himself.

    Husbands have a head, Jesus

    Or is it the WTS they must look to for guidance?

    w94 10/1 p. 8 The Bible?A Book Meant to Be Understood

    It helps us to understand the Word of God. All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah?s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.?John 6:68.

    Put the welfare of their families ahead of their own desires and preferences

    But not ahead of the body of elders desires and preferences

    w99 6/1 p. 19 Appreciating the "Gifts in Men"

    What about the wives of the elders? Do they not also deserve our consideration? After all, they are sharing their husbands with the congregation. This often calls for sacrifices on their part. Occasionally, elders must spend evening hours caring for congregation matters when they could otherwise be spending time with their families. In many congregations faithful Christian women are willingly making such sacrifices so that their husbands can care for Jehovah?s sheep.?Compare 2 Corinthians 12:15.

    Husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies

    How have elders and the WTS handled physical abuse by JW husbands in your area?

    In spite of what appears in print, women are encouraged to stay with the abuser because she might turn her around to God, that she and the children will suffer financially if she leaves, that it will bring reproach on God and the congregation if she leaves. The WTS uses the phrase "extreme physical abuse." What does that mean being hit once a week, rather than once a day? Hmmmm?

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    5 Godly wives look to the Christian congregation as a model. When Jesus was on the earth, his followers gladly abandoned their previous pursuits and followed him. After his death, they continued subject to him, and over the past nearly 2,000 years, the true Christian congregation has remained subject to Jesus and followed his leadership in all things. Christian wives similarly do not disdain their husbands or seek to downplay the Scriptural arrangement of headship in marriage. Instead, they support and are submissive to their husbands, cooperate with them and thus encourage them. When both husband and wife act in such a loving way, their marriage will succeed and both will find joy in the relationship.

    Godly wives

    JW wives

    Christian congregation

    Anointed JWs only

    Abandoned previous pursuits

    Wives must drop all previous pursuits

    Past 2,000 years, the true Christian congregation

    And who was that; what group from 100 to 1879 was considered the true Christian congregation?

    Downplay, disdain, submissive, cooperate, encourage

    Sounds like women will never have more than a supporting role on earth.

    Continue Dwelling With Them

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    6 The apostle Peter also had counsel for married couples, and his words to husbands were especially pointed. He said: "Continue dwelling in like manner with [your wives] according to knowledge, assigning them honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one, since you are also heirs with them of the undeserved favor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7) The seriousness of Peter's counsel is seen in the final words of that verse. If a husband fails to honor his wife, his relationship with Jehovah will be affected. His prayers will be hindered.

    Apostle Peter was married (Bible says he had a mother-in-law), Paul wasn?t although some surmise he was a widower. (Priests were not forbidden to marry until around 1200 AD.)

    Honor

    Have you ever notice how often in the Bible, women are nameless, but men?s names are listed for generations?

    A rag and a bone and a hank of hair?

    "a stack of bones and a hank of hair." (September 15, 1941 WT, page 287)

    In 1941, at a convention in St. Louis, Missouri, J. F. Rutherford, Russell's successor, combining evangelistic fervor with vaudevillean flair, said that a woman was nothing more than (as Kipling had put it) "a rag and a bone and a hank of hair." (The women in the convention audience, I am told, applauded fervently.)

    http://www.exjws.net/visions5.htm

    Weaker vessel

    w51 5/1 p. 279 Making a Success of Marriage

    You husbands, look upon your wives as if they were delicate instruments, finely balanced, and give them the same gentle treatment you give the delicate organs of your own body. Showing love and tenderness is not displaying masculine weakness, nor is it showing reverence. Perish the thought! "Assigning them honor as to a weaker vessel" has nothing to do with the wrongful practice of setting women above men on a pedestal of worship.

    Menstruation

    w51 5/1 p. 279 Making a Success of Marriage ***

    Ah, yes, live with your wife according to knowledge of God?s commands and with understanding of his fundamental laws of nature. Consider the biological constitution of the female, her limitations, her cycles, her vicissitudes, which greatly affect her mental processes, disposition and temperament. God does not overlook these feminine restrictions; neither should husbands. (Lev. 18:19; 20:18)

    w60 12/1 p. 719 Married Believers Called to Peace and Salvation ***

    If a husband honors his wife as a physically weaker vessel because of being a feminine vessel, he will handle her with care and tenderness, that she may be of continuous valuable usefulness to him. He will not want to crack her or break her to pieces and destroy her precious helpfulness to him.

    w70 1/15 p. 36 What Kind of Husband Are You? ***

    The right kind of husband also considers his wife?s emotional makeup. As the "weaker vessel" she has her physical cycles, which make her more emotionally inclined than her husband.

    w80 4/15 p. 22 ?A Love As Strong As Death? ***

    By taking into consideration her physical and biological limitations, as did Jehovah in the Law given to Israel, the Christian husband will act "according to knowledge," assigning his wife "honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one."?Lev. 18:19; 20:18; 1 Pet. 3:7.

    w89 5/15 p. 13 Showing Love and Respect as a Husband ***

    Why is the wife "of a more delicate constitution"? Among other things, because of her gift of procreation. Her procreative life is subject to monthly cycles that include a period of several days when she might be feeling somewhat limited or under strain. If the husband fails to take this into account and makes the same demands on his wife every day of the month, he will fail to respect her dignity. In that case he will be showing that he lives with her in accordance with selfish ignorance, rather than with knowledge.?Leviticus 18:19; 1 Corinthians 7:5.

    Feminine one

    Did you know that the WTS once taught that Adam had feminine qualities that were taken from him and given to Eve?

    w56 9/1 pp. 531-532 The Divine Origin of Marriage ***

    When God took the male and female characteristics or qualities that were combined in balance in the original Adam and divided them between the sexes he did not mean to start any battle of the sexes in the paradise of Eden. He did not mean to start any competitive coexistence between the sexes. Though the man Adam had the feminine properties divided from him and embodied in his wife, he was still left perfect; he was still in God?s image and likeness. Eve, with the female characteristics controlling in her, was likewise perfect, but she was one flesh with Adam.

    If men and women are created in God?s image, that would mean God has both feminine and masculine traits.

    Heirs

    Christians, both men and women, had the same hope of ruling as kings and priests in heaven with Christ. If qualified for such a future responsibility, why are women second class citizens on earth?

    Prayers hindered

    God may not listen to his prayers but that will not stop elders from calling on an abusive husband/father to pray in the congregation.

    Relationship with God will be affected not Christ?

    Remember when asked what religion they are, most members of the WTS will respond, Jehovah?s Witnesses, not Christian.

    Blurb page 17: Unlike Roman law, Christian teachings required a husband to honor his wife

    Paragraph 7

    7 How, then, can husbands assign honor to their wives? To honor one's wife means to treat her lovingly, with respect and dignity. Such kindly treatment of a wife would have seemed novel to many. A Greek scholar writes: "Under Roman law a woman had no rights. In law she remained for ever a child. ... She was entirely subject to her husband, and completely at his mercy." What a contrast to Christian teachings! The Christian husband honored his wife. His dealings with her were governed by Christian principles, not by personal whim. Moreover, he was considerate of her "according to knowledge," taking into account that she was a weaker vessel.

    Greek scholar: Scottish theologian. William Barclay

    "In every sphere of ancient civilization, women had no rights at all. Under Jewish law a woman was a thing; she was owned by her husband in exactly the same way as he owned his sheep and his goats; on no account could she leave him, although he could dismiss her at any moment. . . . In Greek civilization the duty of the woman was "to remain indoors and to be obedient to her husband." It was the sign of a good woman that she must see as little, hear as little, and ask as little as possible. She had no kind of independent existence and no kind of mind of her own, and her husband could divorce her almost at caprice, so long as he returned her dowry. Under Roman law a woman had no rights. In law she remained forever a child. When she was under her father she was under the . . . father?s power, which gave the father even the right of life and death over her; and when she married she passed equally into the power of her husband. She was entirely subject to her husband, and completely at his mercy. Cato the Censor, the typical ancient Roman, wrote: ?If you were to catch your wife in an act of infidelity, you can kill her with impunity without a trial.? Roman matrons were prohibited from drinking wine, and Egnatius beat his wife to death when he found her doing so. Sulpicius Gallus dismissed his wife because she had once appeared in the streets without a veil. Antistius Vetus divorced his wife because he saw her secretly speaking to a freed woman in public. Publius Sempronius Sophus divorced his wife because once she went to the public games. The whole attitude of ancient civilization was that no woman could dare to take any decision for herself."

    William Barclay, The Letters of James and Peter, (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1960), 258-259.

    (reference 15 in this document)

    http://www.biblicaltheism.com/0402christianityimproves.htm

    "A Weaker Vessel" in What Way?

    Paragraph 8

    8 In saying that the woman is "a weaker vessel," Peter did not mean that women are weaker than men intellectually or spiritually. True, many Christian men have privileges in the congregation that women do not expect to have, and in the family women are subject to their husbands. (1 Corinthians 14: 35; 1 Timothy 2:12) Nevertheless, the same faith, endurance, and high moral standards are required of all, men and women. And as Peter said, both husband and wife are "heirs ... of the undeserved favor of life." As far as salvation is concerned, they have equal standing before Jehovah God. (Galatians 3: 28) Peter was writing to anointed Christians of the first century. Hence, his words reminded Christian husbands that as "joint heirs with Christ," they and their wives had the same heavenly hope. (Romans 8:17) One day, both would serve as priests and kings in God's heavenly Kingdom!?Revelation 5:10.

    Not weaker than men intellectually or spiritually

    Except when they are in the midst of their menstrual cycle! (see quotes above)

    Men have privileges women do not expect to have

    Such as handling the microphones

    Timing the talks for the school overseer

    w64 5/1 p. 260 Modesty Is for Everyone ***

    Likewise, modesty is becoming to womankind. We cannot escape the Scriptural dictum that ?the feminine vessel is the weaker one.? Her being willing to ?play second fiddle? will make for contentment and happiness in the home. But failing to admit this truth to herself can only result in frustration and unhappiness, to her spouse and to herself.?1 Pet. 3:7.

    Both would serve as priests and kings in God?s heavenly Kingdom

    But women will never be kings on earth although having the same faith, endurance and high moral standards

    Why qualified for heavenly kingship but not earthly?

    Blurb page 18: Both men and women of the "great crowd" look forward to everlasting life in Paradise (CARROT)

    Paragraph 9

    9 Anointed Christian wives were in no way inferior to their anointed Christian husbands. And in principle, the same is true of those with an earthly hope. Both men and women of the "great crowd" wash their robes and make them white in the blood of the Lamb. Both men and women share "day and night" in the worldwide shout of praise to Jehovah. (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14, 15) Both men and women look forward to enjoying "the glorious freedom of the children of God," when they will delight in "the real life." (Romans 8:21; 1 Timothy 6:19) Whether of the anointed or of the other sheep, all Christians serve Jehovah together as "one flock" under "one shepherd." (John 10:16) What a compelling reason for a Christian husband and wife to show due honor to each other!

    Anointed Christian wives were in no way inferior to their anointed Christian husbands.

    Yet a barely qualified baptized boy will be used to handle microphones.

    In principle the same is true of those with an earthly hope.

    In principle because the NT talks only of Christians going to heaven.

    Look forward

    The WTS teaches that the great crowd and/or other sheep do not become the children of God until they pass the test at the end of the 1,000 year reign. They are not adopted as children based on Christ?s sacrifice as the anointed are. Hmmm.

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    10 In what way, then, are women 'weaker vessels'? Perhaps Peter was referring to the fact that, on average, women are smaller and have less physical strength than men. In addition, in our imperfect state, the wonderful privilege of bearing children exacts a physical toll. Women of childbearing age may be subject to physical discomforts on a regular basis. They certainly need special care and consideration when experiencing such discomforts or enduring the exhausting trials of being pregnant and giving birth. A husband who assigns honor to his wife, recognizing the support that she needs, will contribute greatly to the success of the marriage.

    Weaker vessel

    Have less physical strength

    Bearing children exacts a physical toll

    Women of childbearing age may be subject to physical discomforts on a regular basis

    Another way of saying that the woman?s menstrual cycle renders her helpless; the same reasoning from the WTS for the last 50 years (see quotes above).

    Special care and consideration when experiencing such discomforts

    Probably the only way that some women can get special care and consideration from their husbands.

    Does this mean women could be qualified to be elders once they pass menopause?

    In a Religiously Divided Household

    Paragraph 11

    11 What, though, if marriage mates have different religious views because one of them accepted Christian truth some time after they got married and the other did not? Can such a marriage succeed? The experience of many says yes. A husband and wife with different religious views can still have a successful marriage in the sense that it can be enduring and bring happiness to both. Besides, the marriage is still valid in Jehovah's eyes; they are still "one flesh." Therefore, Christian spouses are counseled to stay with the unbelieving partner if that partner is agreeable. If there are children, they benefit from the faithfulness of the Christian parent.?1 Corinthians 7: 12-14.

    Marriage mates have different religious views

    Note how they make sure that you know that a JW did not marry a non-JW.

    This also implies that even if the other mate says they are a Christian that if they are not a JW, they are not a Christian.

    Christian truth

    Watchtower truth

    It can be enduring and bring happiness

    But remember the non-JW is a walking corpse according to the WT representative.

    Paragraph 12

    12 Peter addresses kindly words of counsel to Christian women living in religiously divided households. His words can also be applied in principle by Christian husbands in the same situation. Peter writes: "You wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, in order that, if any are not obedient to the word, they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of having been eyewitnesses of your chaste conduct together with deep respect."?1 Peter 3:1, 2.

    Christian women

    JW women

    Religiously divided households

    Even if the non-JW spouse is a Christian

    Can also be applied in principle by Christian (JW) husbands in the same situation

    In principle because a JW without a non-JW wife is rarely discussed in the WT publications. Mostly because women are more often contacted and brought into the WT organization rather than men.

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    13 If a wife can tactfully explain her faith to her husband, that is fine. What, though, if he does not want to listen? That is his choice. Still, all is not lost, since Christian conduct also gives a powerful witness. Many husbands who at first were not interested in or who were even opposed to the faith of their wives became "rightly disposed for everlasting life" after seeing the fine conduct of their wives. (Acts 13:48) Even if a husband does not accept Christian truth, he may still be favorably impressed by the conduct of his wife, with good results for the marriage. One husband whose wife is one of Jehovah's Witnesses admitted that he could never live up to their high standards. Still, he called himself "the happy husband of a charming wife" and warmly praised his wife and her fellow Witnesses in a letter to a newspaper.

    Does not want to listen? That is his choice

    But it does mean that he is a corpse, and that she will be kissing a corpse as one district overseer pointed out at a recent assembly.

    Christian truth

    WT truth

    Happy husband of a charming wife

    What newspaper? If it was published in a public newspaper, why not provide the name of the paper?

    This is really quoting from something previous in the WT.

    w99 9/1 p. 32 "Happy Husband of a Charming Wife

    OCCASIONALLY, some people pointedly accuse Jehovah?s Witnesses of breaking up marriages. However, numerous successful marriages where only one spouse is one of Jehovah?s Witnesses show this to be far from the truth. Taking heed of the Bible?s counsel in family life makes for happy marriages, as the following letter published in a French newspaper shows

    "For almost 28 years now, I?ve been the happy husband of a charming wife who is one of Jehovah?s Witnesses. She raised my five children, of whom two were not her own, with equal care and much love. Being at the present time a company director with 45 employees, I can assure you that she has contributed greatly to my professional success. That is why when I saw an article in my regular newspaper presenting Jehovah?s Witnesses as a threat to the Lot-et-Garonne region, I decided to provide you with an authoritative testimony."

    The letter also says: "They do not smoke or get drunk. Is this a threat? They are tolerant Christians who do not impose on anybody the rules that they follow. Rather, they are an example in many areas. . . . They are not involved in financial scandals or in drug trafficking. They do not take a vow of chastity, and I can assure you, they live normal lives. . . .

    "You may well ask me: So why aren?t you yourself one of Jehovah?s Witnesses? Because Christian faith and strict morals are needed, and these are not easily found among common mortals."

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    14 Christian husbands who have applied the principles of Peter's words have likewise won their wives over by their conduct. Unbelieving wives have seen their husbands gain a sense of responsibility, ceasing to waste money on smoking, drinking, and gambling and no longer using abusive language. Some of those mates have met other members of the Christian congregation. They were impressed with the loving Christian brotherhood, and what they observed among the brothers drew them to Jehovah. -John 13:34, 35.

    Christian (JW) husbands

    Now is their opportunity to be counseled by the WTS.

    Ceasing to waste money

    Believing JW husbands can find many new ways besides smoking and gambling to waste their on. Are JW husbands less likely to waste their money on drinking?

    No longer using abusive language

    I have heard brothers cuss out their wives and children, brothers on quick builds, and even at Bethel

    "The Secret Person of the Heart"

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    15 What kind of conduct might win over a husband? Really, it is conduct that is naturally cultivated by Christian women. Peter says: "Do not let your adornment be that of the external braiding of the hair and of the putting on of gold ornaments or the wearing of outer garments, but let it be the secret person of the heart in the incorruptible apparel of the quiet and mild spirit, which is of great value in the eyes of God. For so, too, formerly the holy women who were hoping in God used to adorn themselves, subjecting themselves to their own husbands, as Sarah used to obey Abraham, calling him 'lord.' And you have become her children, provided you keep on doing good and not fearing any cause for terror."?1 Peter 3:3-6.

    What kind of conduct might win over

    Not outward adornment: Obviously Peter never attended an assembly or a convention of JWs where the single women and girls are decked out and between sessions they walk the hallways, trolling, as my husband called it.

    Paragraph 16

    16 Peter counsels a Christian woman not to rely on external appearances. Instead, let her husband discern the effect of Bible teachings on her inner person. Let him witness the new personality in operation. Perhaps he will contrast it with the old personality that his wife used to have. (Ephesians 4:22-24) He will surely find her "quiet and mild spirit" refreshing and attractive. Not only is such a spirit pleasing to a husband but it is "of great value in the eyes of God."?Colossians 3:12.

    Yes, sisters, let the brothers at the assemblies and conventions see your

    New personality

    Paragraph 17

    17 Sarah is pointed to as a model, and she is a worthy example for Christian wives whether their husbands are believers or not. Sarah unquestionably viewed Abraham as her head. Even in her heart, she called him her "lord." (Genesis 18:12) Yet, that did not diminish her. She was clearly a spiritually strong woman with her own firm faith in Jehovah. Indeed, she is part of the "great cloud of witnesses" whose example of faith should move us to "run with endurance the race that is set before us." (Hebrews 11:11; 12:1) It is not demeaning for a Christian wife to be like Sarah.

    Blurb page 20: Sarah viewed Abraham as her lord

    Sarah a worthy examples for Christian wives

    Why an OT example, not Mary or Priscilla or Eunice?

    Even in her heart she called him her "lord"

    Is it because the Bible speaks of hear calling Abraham lord in her heart? Do you see that in this article about marriage how the emphasis is on the woman and not the man in making a marriage be happy?

    Paragraph 18

    18 In a religiously divided household, the husband is still the head. If he is the believer, he will be considerate of his wife's beliefs while not compromising his own faith. If the wife is the believer, she too will not compromise her faith. (Acts 5:29) Still, she will not challenge her husband's headship. She will honor his position and remain under "the law of her husband."?Romans 7:2.

    Religiously divided

    Even if the non-JW mate is a Christian

    Husband is still the head

    She will not challenge her husband?s headship

    Even if he abuses her and the children

    The Bible's Wise Guidance

    Paragraph 19

    19 Today, many things can strain the marriage bond. Some men fail to assume their responsibilities. Some women refuse to accept the headship of their husbands. In some marriages, one spouse is abused by the other. For Christians, economic stresses, human imperfection, and the spirit of the world with its immorality and distorted sense of values can test loyalties. Still, Christian men and women who follow Bible principles, whatever their situation, receive Jehovah's blessing. Even if only one partner in a marriage applies Bible principles, things are better than if neither did. Moreover, Jehovah loves and supports his servants who remain faithful to their marriage vows even in difficult situations. He does not forget their loyalty-Psalm 18:25; Hebrews 6:10; 1 Peter 3:12.

    Some men fail to assume their responsibilities

    As the WTS says in other places, because the wife runs ahead and usurps his headship.

    One spouse is abused by the other

    Did you know that the WTS tries to say that men are just as abused by their wives?

    Even if only one partner

    Things are better than if neither did

    Jehovah loves and supports his servants who remain faithful to their marriage vows even in difficult situations

    So if your husband is abusive and unfaithful, the WTS says if you stay with him things will be better than if you left.

    Paragraph 20

    20 After counseling married men and women, the apostle Peter concluded with warm words of encouragement. He said: "Finally, all of you be like-minded, showing fellow feeling, having brotherly affection, tenderly compassionate, humble in mind, not paying back injury for injury or reviling for reviling, but, to the contrary, bestowing a blessing, because you were called to this course, so that you might inherit a blessing." (1 Peter 3:8, 9) Wise counsel indeed for all, especially for married couples!

    Showing fellow feeling

    Having brotherly affection

    Not paying back injury for injury

    Bestowing a blessing

    Good counsel if applied.

    Concluding Comments

    I think the title of this article should be changed to:

    WISE GUIDANCE FOR MARRIED JW WOMEN WITH JW HUSBANDS AND NON-JW HUSBANDS WHOSE HUSBANDS AREN?T LORD IN THEIR HEARTS

    OR

    BAD MARRIAGES ARE CAUSED BY NONSUBMISSIVE JW WIVES

    OR

    WOMEN ARE WEAK AND UNRELIABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MENSTRUAL CYCLES

    Love, Blondie

    Questions

    1. What is the correct view of marriage?

    2. (a) What help is available to married couples? (b) Why is it important to strive to make a success of marriage?

    3. (a) Summarize Paul's counsel to married couples, (b) What fine example did Jesus set?

    4. How can husbands follow Jesus' example?

    5. How can wives imitate the Christian congregation?

    6. What counsel did Peter give to husbands, and why is it important?

    7. How should a husband honor his wife?

    8, 9. In what ways are women equal to men?

    10. In what sense are women 'weaker vessels'?

    11. In what sense can a marriage succeed even if husband and wife are of different religions?

    12, 13. Following Peter's counsel, how can Christian wives help unbelieving husbands?

    14. How can husbands help unbelieving wives?

    15, 16. What kind of conduct by a Christian wife might win over an unbelieving husband?

    17. How is Sarah a fine example for Christian wives?

    18. What principles should be borne in mind in a divided household?

    19. What are some pressures that strain marriage bonds, but how can such pressures be resisted?

    20. What counsel does Peter have for all Christians?

    Do You Recall?

    How do Christian husbands imitate Jesus?

    How do Christian wives imitate the congregation?

    In what way can husbands honor their wives?

    What is the best course for a Christian wife whose husband is not a believer?
  • xjwms
    xjwms

    Thank you and Thank you again (((blondie)))

    You are the greatest wt conductor ever.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    BAD MARRIAGES ARE CAUSED BY NONSUBMISSIVE JW WIVES OR WOMEN ARE WEAK AND UNRELIABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE MENSTRUAL CYCLES Love, Blondie

    I do not think I will be able to comment at tomorrows WTS without laughing - but I will try and let you all know jhow the study went. Thankyou again Blondie

  • minimus
    minimus

    This is 1 of those WTS that husbands never liked. Very counseling to the men. Sometimes after the meetings, the wife would approach the elders to tell on the husband as being sweet and caring in public but a bastard at home. The elders would tell the wife that perhaps she was too demanding and then tell the husband to "be loving" toward his mate. This WT. will get the unhappy to expose things.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Hey, blondie. How's it going this week? I especially like your overview of Isreal's history on marriage. I am going to focus on a single claim in the Watchtower this week:

    In many countries, divorce is not difficult to obtain

    I maintain that marriage and divorce is a hot topic in the developed world. I decided to google "Divorce Reform" to find out what representative governments are doing about the problem. It appears that many have prepared an intelligent review of the religious, moral, economic and social implications of marriage and divorce, and whether law is a reflection or a driver of our mores. After a brief reading, I believe that economic conditions is the primary driver of divorce. If an unhappy partner has the means to leave, they will. Potentially good marriages can be ruined by their inability to be together, if their working conditions prevent them. It seems the Watchtower is repeating a common misconception, that marriages can be improved by legal deterrant, that is, make it harder to divorce.

    The focus of Divorce Reform in Canada is to reduce the effects on children. Divorce is taken as a given, and the legislators are working on reducing conflict and reforming child custody and access.

    "Inter-parental anger and conflict are strong predictors of, and risk factors for, child maladjustment regardless of the family type in which the child is living: intact, divorced or stepfamily."

    Silvia C. Bernardini and Jennifer M. Jenkins, An Overview of the Risks and Protectors for Children of Separation and Divorce , 2002-FCY-2E http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/pad/reports/2002-fcy-2.html#exec

    Americans are also struggling with the issue, and there is a movement afoot to end no-fault divorce. The following article provides a brief history on the subject.

    "However, there may be causal factors other than no-fault laws for divorce rate increases. Data from the U.S. Census Bureau show a sharp increase in divorce rates during and at the end of World War II. Moreover, it is a little known but powerful fact that divorce rates across the country have been declining for the past decade. The divorce rate per 1,000 population was 4.7 in 1989 and 1990, and is 11 percent lower than the peak rate of 5.3 in 1979 and 1981.22 And neither of these trends occurred at a time when there were any substantial changes in the nation?s divorce laws.

    Perhaps the increase in the divorce rate that occurred shortly after the start of no-fault may really be attributed to the Vietnam War, or to the "Generation of Love" for which the 1970s has become so famous. On the other hand, one sociologist has posited that, "[t]he institution of marriage underwent a particularly rebellious and dramatic shift when women entered the work force. "People don't have to stay married because of economic forces now," explains Frank Furstenberg, Jr., co-author of the 1991 Divided Families.23 In short, any of these events may just as easily be responsible for the rising divorce rate as the advent of no-fault divorce."

    Donna S. Hershkowitz and Drew R. Liebert Counsel, THE DIRECTION OF DIVORCE REFORM IN CALIFORNIA: FROM FAULT TO NO-FAULT . . . AND BACK AGAIN Assembly Judiciary Committee, California State Legislature http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/committee/c15/publications/divorcereform97.pdf

    When I hear claims that today's world is worse, I look for proof. Here's what it was like in England before the industrial revolution.

    "Before 1857 no English court had the power to grant a decree of divorce which would terminate a marriage. For centuries, divorce had been virtually impossible. As Stone points out, however, there is little reason to suppose that there were proportionally fewer unhappy marriages when divorce was illegal than there are today, but there were powerful forces which kept even the most miserable couples together. There were, nevertheless, a number of ways in which the breakup of a marriage could be achieved: one partner could simply leave (desertion), which was much easier for men than for women; if the parties agreed to separate, this could be achieved through a written deed of separation; occasionally, wives were sold; application could be made to the ecclesiastical courts for separation from bed and board; and from 1690 onwards, very rich husbands could obtain a divorce from an adulterous wife by private Act of Parliament. Since only a very few could afford this latter route, there was for most people no legal way to remarry. Stone shows how, for centuries,

    husbands and wives, and the lawyers who served their interests, continued to use, adapt, circumvent and openly deceive the law in order to deal with marital breakdown.

    2

    ...

    Historians have concluded that there is no single model of change which can explain the shifts in marital breakdown and divorce in a single country for all periods of time and for all classes of society.

    5 It is not possible, therefore, to claim that there is a simple link between the law and marital/divorcing behaviour. As historians point out, and as we have discovered in our evaluation, life is messier than that."

    Janet Walker, Divorce Reform and the Family Law Act 1996, Chapter 2http://www.dca.gov.uk/family/fla/chap2.pdf

    As usual, those downunder have taken their own twist on the issue:

    "One judge in Australia posed an interesting solution to what he saw as the growing divorce problem. According to one tabloid newspaper, an Australian judge ordered a couple who went to court seeking a divorce after four long years of bickering and battering . . . to forget about the divorce, to go home arm in arm, and to make mad, passionate love every day for the next six months." The judge told the couple that if they followed his advice to the letter, and still wanted the divorce in six months, he would grant it. According to the caption on the picture accompanying the story, "Loving couple Dustin and Angela Womack may call off their divorce after months of making whoopee." " 2

    2 Joe Berger, Divorce Judge Orders Couple to Have Sex Every Day For Six Months, WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, Sept. 2, 1997 at 19. www.weeklyworldnews.com Donna S. Hershkowitz and Drew R. Liebert Counsel, THE DIRECTION OF DIVORCE REFORM IN CALIFORNIA: FROM FAULT TO NO-FAULT . . . AND BACK AGAIN Assembly Judiciary Committee, California State Legislature

    "In Australia, many women were deserted because of their husbands' inclination to wander. The gold rushes and mineral booms enticed many men away from their homes. But in any case, those homes lacked the settled background of families who had been settled there for generations, where they had their roots.

    Above all, even in reasonably 'settled' marriages, the parties and particularly the women, were under considerable strain: not for them 'the noiseless tenor of their way'36 as this account of conditions in one Victorian country district illustrates:

    The gold rushes had clearly put marriage and family life under great strain, as husbands deserted families for the diggings, and then moved away from Castlemaine also, chasing a new strike, or seeking a fresh livelihood, leaving wives to seek maintenance as best they could, sometimes through the courts, where censorious magistrates lectured the men on the responsibilities of the marriage state that ought to have been carefully considered before the wedding day. The makeshift dwellings, leaky in winter and oppressively hot in summer, the monotonous diet of mutton, damper and pudding with only occasional fruit and vegetables, the scarcity of water, the crude latrines, the trials of cooking in the open air or under smoking chimneys, jealousy of attentions of single men: these factors, among others, created stress. Wife beating was by no means uncommon, and almost every month some wife brought her husband to court for assault, or for threatening to murder her.37

    Nor need the absence of the men have been intended to be of permanent or longer duration. It may have been simply occasioned by prevailing economic conditions in the cities, as well as on the land:

    The casual labour market determined a second aspect of family life. Sydney men were either away from home frequently, or did not set up a family because they had to be constantly on the move. The city's inefficient transport system meant that quite late in the century, jobs located even a short distance away required that workers sleep away from home, like the tent dwellers on the night of the 1891"

    Henry Finlay, BA, LLB, PhD, DIVORCE AND THE STATUS OF WOMEN Beginnings in Nineteenth Century Australia
    http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/seminars/finlay.html
  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    WISE Watchtower GUIDANCE FOR MARRIED COUPLES

  • Flash
    Flash

    8, 9. In what ways are women equal to men?

    This should be the subject of WT Study Articles, Public Talks and Assembly Programs!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Flash, you should like this then. In those selfsame pararagraphs, is this gem:

    "True, many Christian men have priveleges in the congregation that women do not expect to have...nevertheless, the same faith, endurance, and high moral standards are required of all... (crossouts added) (para 9)

    Here's a question I would love to ask at the meeting. If....

    Women of childbearing age...certainly need special care and consideration when experiencing such discomforts or enduring the exhausting trials of being pregnant and giving birth. (para 10)

    Why is it that women have the same obligations towards field service as the men? Even in the old testament young married couples got their first year free. Why not a year's vacation from field service when a new baby arrives?

    LOL. Blondie. I just read your menopause comment. Too funny. That would explain Deborah then. She was no longer in a "weakened" condition, so she was fit enough to Judge men. LOL.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    As a regular Christian woman (vanilla flavour) married to a JW man, I am classified by the society as belonging to a divided household. Of course I read with interest on how we are to get along. In a nutshell, my hubby is to be a model of JW decorum, thereby, by his contrasting sweetness, I will naturally be attracted to the society like a bee to honey. Through it all it is assumed that the JW lifestyle is superior. How does this read to you?

    "Therefore, Christian JW spouses are counseled to stay with the unbelieving Christian partner if that partner is agreeable" (para 11, crossouts, bolding, added)

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I thought a marriage covenant was a sacred vow!

    Also, JW partners are encouraged to stick around...

    "If there are children, they benefit from the faithfulness of the Christian parent." (para 11). Does that mean that the children do not benefit from the other parent? Or do they really mean that these children are an important source for future converts for the society?

    Also, apparently, all non-JW men are irresponsible, waste money, smoke, drink, gamble, and use abusive language:

    Unbelieving wives have seen their husbands gain a sense of responsibility

    disappear for field service and three meetings a week, panting for the privilege to hold a mike, forgetting all his personal ambitions, ceasing to waste money on smoking, drinking, and gambling, purchasing JW attire (tie, case, suit) behind her back, and no longer using abusive language. calling her an "unbeliever" doomed for destruction. Former happy events are dismissed as "pagan" (para 14)

    No wonder JW children look at me as if I have a third horn coming out of the middle of my forehead.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    Blondie, nice work.

    It's remarkable to me how the WTBTS prefers that women endure physically abusive husbands in the interests of ``winning them over," yet holds out ``spiritual endangerment" (translation: a husband ``wising up'' to the truth about ``the truth") as a valid reason to separate.

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