how can you stay?

by zaphod 34 Replies latest jw experiences

  • TheListener
    TheListener

    I don't think anyone should feel that any of the potential exit choices from the dubs is easy. Whether you up and quit and let everyone know how you feel or do the fade, the eventual personal results are the same - you're out. Both roads have pain and emotional turmoil. Each person much decide which is right for them. I'm with Ipsec. If I just up and quit I'll do more damage to my family and congregational friends than if I do the slow fade. I'm not doing the fade for me, I'm doing it for those I love. That is what makes it bearable. If this were all about me, I'd announce that everything I've learned is a crock of !%^#% and move on.

    Good thread. I love to hear differing points of view.

  • Chia
    Chia

    touched a nerve

    soz

    I don't know why, but when I read that, I started laughing so hard that I was shaking!

    But I agree, you didn't touch a nerve with me. It's a good thought provoking thread. I agree with Listener that no way of leaving the religion is easy, that's for sure. There are pros and cons to every way of doing it. I have a friend who decided when he was 15 or 16 that it wasn't for him. He always knew it. He told the elders then and there, even though he was still a minor. They gave him time to decide. When he turned 18, they asked him again how he felt about the BOrg. He told them he still didn't want to be a part of him, and they asked him to DA himself. He did. To me, that is a very brave thing, especially at so young an age. His parents do still talk to him, he's fortunate. He's going to college and he seems very successful. I admire him.

    Unfortunately, I know in my case, that won't happen. My mother will never accept the fact that I'm leaving quietly. I figure this way, maybe, we'll still be able to have some contact without that nasty "disfellowshipped/disassociated" label on me. I may not be successful, and she still may shun me if I'm inactive, but I can try. We all have our reasons.

  • TweetieBird
    TweetieBird

    For me it's because of family, but trying to do the slow fade.

  • Doubtfully Yours
    Doubtfully Yours

    It's tough living in two worlds, but I must endure it because I love my immediate relatives and it's a way to keep the lines of communication open with them.

    Some days is tougher than others, but I've survived thus far.

    DY

  • itsallgoodnow
    itsallgoodnow

    Yeah, I agree with what everyone said, especially IP SEC's idea of getting all the ducks in a row. I've always rushed into everything without thinking it through and gotten myself knee deep in sh*t. Out of fear of what will happen, on this stuff I have hesitated to do anything yet, and I think that was a good decision, for once.

    I definitely wish I didn't have to go through this crap, but on the other hand, it's not a good time for me to go. I don't expect to help anybody out of the cult, and I'm about to quit trying. But until I've got all my ducks in a row, I'm just going to keep up the pretense. For once, I'm thinking about my needs, too, you know? I need to do this right now, for a few different reasons.

    I don't worry about getting caught in a double life anymore, though. I need my double life. If it gets discovered, well fine. I did my best.

    I wish every day that something could be done for all those trapped in this thing.

  • littlerockguy
    littlerockguy

    I didn't realize how long it took someone to fade (which is what I am doing now). I have a close relative who is active and she use to bug me all the time about going back, telling me everybody at the hall asks about me all the time yadda yadda yadda but since I quit going some years back not once did anybody ever call or come by on a casual basis to see what was wrong; only when they were out in field service would they stop by (I guess to get more time in). The only reason why she is still in is because she has a son who has a mental disorder and thinks he will be spared if armageddon comes and she remains faithful; she even told me that.

  • adelmaal
    adelmaal
    It's actually not that simple r8. Fear of change applies to those that have nothing to lose.

    May not be that simple for all but can be for some. Some people fear change regardless of whether or not it is good for them (whether they have something to lose or not).

    I can definitely see motivation to stick around to help family to exit or to maintain ties with family. I am sorry so many have to continuously be exposed to the spiritual abuse for the sake of their loved ones...

    I for one did not have any family in so I chose to fade away. I do have children though and I would liken my taking them to meetings to my exposing them to spiritual abuse. I am glad I did not have to make a decision between my children being exposed to the drama and them being able to maintain relationships with JW relatives. It's sad no matter how you look at it.

    I wish you all well and I hope you all succeed in exiting or continuing in association in the best way possible for you and your family.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    When leaving the UUs in the late 50s it not only was an easy choice but one that releaved me of having to live in a family that was so dysfunctional that I would have left them with or without them being UU robots. I never knew a "normal" family until I got away and began to associate with "worldlies". They seemed too adjusted and too good to be true.

    Some, I'm sure hesitate to leave for the reason that they still believe it is "gods organization". Just go over to E-watchman's site and see the intellectual gymnastics displayed by such.

    carmel

  • willyloman
    willyloman

    Two years ago I finally "got" it that the "truth" wasn't the truth. I developed an exit strategy that was, I think, very well thought out, using to my advantage all I'd learned in the organization over the years. During that time, I saw a number of people come and go. Some went in a blaze of glory, or so they thought, only to be publicly disparaged by their former brothers and sisters. Others just drifted away and disappeared, leaving their former friends to assume they had gotten weak spiritually or "caught up in Satan's snare."

    I realized that if you leave they're going to talk about you no matter what, but ironically they think less of you if you show some guts and flip 'em the finger just before you slam the door behind you.

    Since I had family still in, that was not an option for me. So I chose the fade, drafted a plan, worked the plan, and slowly drifted away. Well, not so slowly. Once we stopped going, it was hard to make an occasional appearance so pretty soon we just stopped showing up at all. We staged a fake "move" to another congo and while in the end it didn't fool anybody, it bought us some time. Through it all, almost no one has bothered to call to see how we were or if we died (). And that's been just fine with us, although it speaks volumes about what we used to call "the truth" that you can give so much of your time and energy for so many years and then walk away and not attract any attention from the very people who had insisted they'd die for you.

    Now it's been a year and a half since we were inside a KH or at any meeting whatsoever, and my entire family is out. They all took a page from our book and bailed; they were, it seems, just looking for a signal that it was okay to split. What a relief that was, let me tell you.

    We have spent this time wisely, doing the recovery work, making new friends, finding new interests and productive ways to occupy our time. We are now at the point that if we got a call asking us to meet with the elders, we'd just ignore them. If we are DF'd tomorrow, we could care less. The only small concern we have now is that, while we've successfully cut almost all our ties to the dubs, there are still a few JW's we deal with often in a small but lucrative family business. We're not sure what will happen when this handful of dubs, who are in a different congo than we were, finds out that we've bolted from the flock. But as time goes by, we've come to realize that it would just be awkward. It would not be a life-changing event. It's that realization, that they have no hold over you, that you seek to find. Once you get to that point, the fade is complete.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    It's actually not that simple r8. Fear of change applies to those that have nothing to lose.

    That's the way it would be in a perfect world. I've counseled many patients who fear change in itself, even if they have everything to gain by making the change, and nothing to lose by changing.

    A friend of mine is obese and has multiple health problems and b-i-g personal problems because of it. She overeats and says she does not even enjoy the food. She does not binge or exhibit any behaviors that would indicate she is addicted to food either. She just doesn't want to change because she's afraid of the "unknown". (She's in her late 30s and is a virgin because of her weight--lives w/her parents because of loneliness and does nothing an adult normally does to live an independent life....losing the weight would remove the excuse to move forward.)

    I realize fear of change is not the only reason a person would have for going to the kingkong hall even though they know it's not the troof. It is one reason, though....I think a lot of current dubs cling to it because of fear of change.

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