Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Again Christians are too much alike its scary

by booker-t 41 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • The Leological One
    The Leological One
    This is more the domain of the extremist evangelists, and they get plenty of patronage from those who feel their pastor doesn't have sufficient balls to tell the truth. Gene Scott, Peter Popov, Jerry Falwell, and so many others, make "viewing with alarm" a national sport. True, it's not about one denomination, but they're both hysterical versions of "ex ecclesia nullam salus." Joel Osteen ain't in it.

    Gently Feral,

    Now that you mention televangelists, I don't watch that stuff and am not EVEN going to try to defend what the majority of them might be teaching~!

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from booker-t.

    The doctrines and practices might differ somewhat, but the mentality is the same: the punitive, judgemental mentality that is borne of worshiping a vengeful deity.

    Of course I'm speaking of American BA Christians, from LittleToe's example it would seem that outside of the US BA's aren't quite so foaming at the mouth conservative and dogmatic.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    How about all Kalifornians are either homosexuals or adulterers, liberals, Scientologists, weird, scam artists, are intheir own little world. Pretty narow-minded and biased wouldn't you say?

    There are plenty of churches that have given Christianity a bad name. There are also plenty that do their best to live as Jesus did and are not judgemental to others.

  • ellderwho
    ellderwho

    booker t,

    I throughly disagree, I was born a Jw, and now a "born againer" if you will, the view I had of a "BA" s while a witness was a very distorted view.

    The only comparision that needs to be made is what does the Jw do with Christ, verses the importance of Christ to the born again Christian. Christ being the focal point of Christianity and Jehovah the OT God of Israel for the witness.

    Most all main line Christian faiths hold the same core beliefs for several hundreds of years, of course not according to the dubs who's doctrine has shifted like the sands in a recent 120 years or so. Hmmmmm?

  • booker-t
    booker-t

    Little-Toe you are doing the same thing that Jehovah's Witnesses do when they hear a truth about themselves. Attacking the person or messanger instead of the information. "Cult-tinted" glasses where in my post did I ever use the word "cult"? You are displaying the old "they are picking on me" complex which JW's always use when you bring up their flaws. Since you state that you are Born-Again you just proven my point about how JW's and BA's are more alike then different.

  • GentlyFeral
    GentlyFeral

    Leological One,

    Now that you mention televangelists, I don't watch that stuff and am not EVEN going to try to defend what the majority of them might be teaching~!

    But that is precisely all that most Americans see of born-again Christianity. - If they don't belong to a "born-again" church themselves, that is.

    Last time I stepped into such a church was about 15 years ago, with a neighbor. And the pastor was mud-slinging unbelievers and shaking hell about their ears within ten minutes. I had to walk out.

    Lately, though, I've been sharing tidbits of spiritual encouragement with African-American Christians I know. Last week, a Methodist lady told me she was taught that not following your dreams is one way to displease God. And then there are online places like the Virtual Church of the Blind Chihuahua

    gently feral

  • talesin
    talesin

    LT

    What denominations would you put in the category of "Born Again", as I understand that it seems to be more of a fundamentalist thing, than over here in Britain?

    Around here, at least to my understanding, Born Again is often used as a general term, meaning a fringe element of what was called the "Charismatic movement" in the 70s. They are fundamentalist, and not your average Pentecostal or Baptist.

    One of the BA faiths here is the "Rock Church". They have elders, dissociate people, tithe, speak in tongues, use cult language, etc. I used to date a guy that was an elder in that church for a time, and he was amazed at the similarities with JWs. The church is very greedy, lots of corruption among the ranks as well.

    And then there is Benny Hinn, and the various other greedy televangelizers who bear this label.

    I think it is a problem with the definition of terms - you are right, 'born again' holds different meanings for all of us. It is a label, and as with all labels, is problematic when broadly applied.

    t

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    Again, maybe some peolpe here have gone to some really strange churches or something. The stuff I'm hearing doesn't match up with my experiences throughout spending about 30 of my 35 years going to various churches. I don't want to seem judgemental towards you, as maybe you and the thread starter have different experiences than I do; if so, I wouldn't have a good thought about those churches, either. (The Leological One )

    Sadly LO it has been my experience with hardcore fundamentalist. Others posting have used the word extreme, fanatic could be used as well. It is the mindset they display and it is just as ridged, narrow minded and unyielding as that projected by any Witness.

    I do not deny that there cannot be found in any church across the broad, good, sincere, God devout people. Then again good, sincere, devout people can be found in all walks of life, in or out of church. I grew weary of the phrase? Let me tell you about my Jesus?as if Jesus was something you carried around in your pocket. No, I have not had good experiences with fundamentalists, Witnesses or otherwise. You on the other hand have and that is a good thing.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    As a missionary my comp. and I went into a BA meeting to sit through it (can't remember why now..)but the preacher / teacher saw us come in and sit at the back and then I sat in awe while he changed his whole talk to attack us - it was incredible. I had to give him kudos for being so quick on his feet but the gist of what he said was -

    All you need is grace, the gospel is not works or performance of tasks its is purely belief anf faith, the gospel is contained in the new testament and doesn't need any additional scriptures, true christians don't wear badges and travel half way round the world to knock on doors.

    Serves us right for being cheeky enough to walk in on his meeting!

    Another time we met a pastor who invited us over for 'bible study' so like grinning idiots we said yep - we turned up to find we'd been set up, several hard core brothers with anti-mormon literature ready to rumble.

    My experience of christian religions is that they all have a fairly similar outlook (and their own phrases to describe and label people) - at the core of christianity is the idea of being saved so there is no mileage from the pulpit in saying that non-christian churches can get you to heaven. All christian churches have their unsaved, heathen, goats, gentile, unbeliever labels and then there is the investigator, student, padowan and once they actually join they become saints, publishers, anointed, chosen, Israel, disciples, believers and finally when they fall off the other end of the conveyor belt backsliders, apostates, less-actives, inactives, weak, Sith etc... I think that most christian religions are fundamentally the same but it is the application of principles that causes the problems - shunning is an example of a principle out of place (IMHO) but there are plenty of extreme examples throughout christianity and all backed up by scripture.

  • what_Truth?
    what_Truth?

    It all reminds me of the story where the apostle pPeter was showing a newly deceased man around heaven. He showed him how it was segregated into different religions. He showed him where the Catholics lived, the Muslims lived, and the Mormans. Finally they passed by a large metal room with no windows. Peter lowered his voice and said 'be very quiet around this room. It's full of Jehovah's Witnesses who think they're the only ones here.'

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