Booker-t,
Sorry to see you had so many bad experiences in churches.
Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Again Christians are too much alike its scary
by booker-t 41 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Narkissos
Resemblance implies difference.
For instance, the "border" conception (I mean the distinction between the "saved within" and the "unsaved outside") works quite differently in fuzzy network structure (such as the "Evangelicals" which can belong to a lot of denominations) and in a solid pyramidal organisation (such as the WT). The functional or dynamical analogies (similar behaviour or speech) are all the more striking and interesting, but nothing is never "just the same".
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rick_here
As an ex-A/G-er (Assemblies of God) I can tell you; JW's, A/G's, Mormons, Southern Baptists, and all of the other "dispensational" [premillenmnnialist] Christian sects share one thing in common. To wit, they are heretical in their teachings about the the Kingdom of God.
They're all waaaaaaaaay off-track....all of 'em.
rick
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LittleToe
Booker:
LOL
If you think that was an attack then you need to get a clue.
On the other hand, I have no desire to go on the defensive (or offensive, for that matter) when someone is spouting something so generalised as you brought to the table. I notice that you haven't given any examples yet. Didn't you bother looking at the sign, as you walked in the door? (maybe what you interpret as attack is gentle teasing )You've proved nothing, so far, and as for me having an attitude of "you're picking on me", you would be so off base as to be on a different ballpark...
Tal:
Thanks for that clarification, it's really appreciated. We had similar movements here, but they seem to have mellowed quicker (that's not to say that examples such as cited don't exist, just that they aren't so common).Q:
Good post. It seems to be a common human preoccupation to attempt to label people.
It wasn't until I left the JWs that I realised how futile it was to attempt to do so accurately. People are people, with all their idiosyncracies. For all the indoctrination, you can't even be 100% sure how two JWs are going to react to a given situation...W_T:LOL
Didier:
Resemblance implies difference.
That's reasonably profound, yet appropriate
Rick:Are you sure to the point of dogmatism?
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diamondblue1974
I work with a born again christian and she hates the term; she attends a evangelical church local to her as does her husband; in honesty whilst I disagree with any organised religion I have always found her to be quite liberal and not to preachy at all and from what she describes she doesnt appear to belong to a cult as such. Cant particularly say that my experience of B.A Christians has given rise to the opinion that they are the same as JW's.
Perhaps it differs culturally and geographically I dont know.
DB74
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rick_here
Oooooops, in my minor fit of rage I mis-spelled "premillennialist."
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LittleToe
DB74:
I don't use the term in every day speech, either. It's kind of assumed that all Christians are "born again", otherwise it's a complete waste of time them reading John 3.
I do understand that it has some connotations in the USA that seem to be absent over here, though.Rick:Would you be post-millenialist or amillenialist?
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rick_here
LittleToe:
(Btw, we've met before here some time back... I was (then) "ikthuce4u")....
You asked if I hold to postmillennial or amillennial views. Postmillennialism's two versions aren't widely held today. Remnants of the "Old Liberalism Golden Age" Post-mill views are still around in progressive/liberal thought today.
"Conservative Postmillennialism" (which saw Christ's return as happening after the Gospel has been preached to all of the nations) isn't all that popular today either.
Technically speaking, I'm an Amillennialist; seeing Revelation as an apocalyptic book and interpreting it from its own (original, apocalyptic) meaning and context.
The giant error of dispensational-premillennialists is their concept that there are "two chosen peoples." The entire NT corpus sez there's been only ONE Chosen People since Christ came. Namely, "whomsoever will" = Anyone.
imo,
rick
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LittleToe
Nice to be reacquainted.
I know of pre-mills that hold to there being one group - there's always an exception to the rule, undermining dogmatism
I would offer that I'm vaguely somewhere between preterist and "personal revelation", but I couldn't be dogmatic about that
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LongHairGal
I agree with you.
In my travels I have come across born agains. There are two in particular that I know. I like them very much as people but they are rigid and unbending and rather merciless in their beliefs. Everybody's going to hell versus the dubs everybody getting destroyed at Armageddon.
I get a headache talking to them. As far as they and the dubs are concerned I cannot abide either.