Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools? (page 3)

silentWatcher

Lots of evidence is meaningless. The right question to ask is "How can ID be proven wrong." There is NO WAY to prove ID wrong. That is why it should not be taught in schools. Even many ID opponents miss this subtle point. That is why creation is a MYTH and evolution is a scientific THEORY.

DanTheMan

I understand that Evangelicaldom's leaders are big fans of the book Tipping Points.

They are pushing every where and in every way to have their worldview indoctrinated into nonbelievers, in the hopes of reaching a tipping point that will lead to America getting saved and returning to it's supposed Christian roots. I say without hesitation or hyperbole that these peoples' mentality is not unlike the Nazis with their romantization of a mythical heroic Germany that never existed. The agenda of the ID crowd is as transparent as could possibly be. "We have nothing against evolution" - puhleez. More like "we have nothing against evolution - it's just that you're going to burn in hell if you believe it."

Daunt

I dont really know your stand on this silentWalker but just because it cannot be proven wrong does not give it validity. Take this scenerio for example, "The African God of all the earth and universe Shoonoobi created the earth 2 days ago. He meant for all men to live happily born like babies searching through a brandnew perfect world. However his evil brother Booboobi thought it would be funny to turn his creation into a random blub of what you see today. He implanted memories, dinosaur bones, and all the evidence for the past right when his brother made the creation. All of our past is just a creation by Booboobi. And this is the truth of the world." Now prove that wrong. Can't? Well why the heck isn't Shoonoobi and Booboobi being practiced in schoolgrounds everywhere. We need to spread the word people!

silentWatcher

Hi Daunt,

Please read the rest of my post. My point was that Intelligent design SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT because it cannot be proven wrong. People who attack ID often go about it wrong (like many in this thread). They focus on the credibility of the EVIDENCE alone. That has virtually NOTHING to do with the argument ultimately. It is a subtle point that even MOST people with college degrees miss.

Ask an Intelligent Design beleiver "What would prove ID wrong ?". They likely cannot answer the question. That is what makes Creation a MYTH.

Anyone who believes evolution CAN exactly tell you how evolution COULD BE proved wrong. That is what makes evolution a scientific theory, NOT the overwelming evidence in its favor.

Daunt

Ok I gotcha Silent. Sorry didn't comprehend what you were saying at first. Good points.

donald

they are both theroy"s and both should be taught as such...donald

Qcmbr

Since we are intelligently designing genetics , space travel, colonies on planets etc.. it would seem somewhat presumptious to teach that we are the only intelligent designers there are.

For intelligent design to be taught might take no more than an afternoon of well reasoned discussion regarding pros and cons - I really think people are getting too pig headed - I wouldn't expect evolution to be pushed out to a ten minute slot at the end of semester of creationism but I would expect to see critical thought applied to evolution.

Evolution is the search for answers - if no one is challenging those answers then we missed the point of schooling IMHO - we may as well all cease questioning and roll over to whatever dictate the scientific community has as its current hot topic - while were at it we can set up an altar to Einstein and Darwin. We can wait for the latest daily 'new light' on what we can eat, how we can use our environment, what chemicals we can consume and rejoice when the slime children become the creator of slime and we start all over again.

I stand for a broad spectrum of teaching and letting the kids make the choice. Concerned parents can reinforce whatever their particular creed is at home. I will and I'm sure , from the responses here, your children will receive yours.

funkyderek

they are both theroy"s and both should be taught as such...donald

Relativity and flat-earthism are both theories too. Should they both be given equal weight?

willy_think

I'm trying to get my kids school to teach that the world was shit out of the ass of the one and only great frog bobby. I think if I can get 3 or 4 million people to believe me it will work. Wish me luck. And may the infinite love of bobby embrace you all.

AlmostAtheist

Praise Bobby!

Seriously, there seem to be two camps here. Ok, three.

1) Teach all "how did it get here" theories, presenting the why's and why not's of all sides. Give the students various view points.

a) good, because it allows for critical thinking, and alerts students early on that there is more than one view held by the world in general

b) bad, because there are so many theories out there, ID being one of them. Young-earth, [various others that I don't know] Which ones do you teach?

2) Teach only what has been accepted by the scientific community.

a) good, because the scientific approach has disprovability (good point!), and is not driven by a particular religion

b) bad, because it causes students to believe evolution is the only idea held by anybody

3) I don't know what to teach students

a) just bad, since indecision means doing nothing (am I the only one in this camp?)

Dave

Should Intelligent Design be taught in schools?

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