Men need to know their place...

by wanderlustguy 41 Replies latest social relationships

  • Dragonlady76
    Dragonlady76
    burden of motherhood without an equal concession from the men.

    Motherhood is not a burden, but a blessing that men will never know the joy of.

    Men should be more helpful in the raising of children, but ultimately we women end up with most of the responsibility.

    They sell themselves short. They agree to work for less. They refuse to hold out for better and best. They settle; for weak men, inferior economic status

    We don't sell ourselves short or agree to work for less, this is just sadly a result of years of male domination in the workforce, that's why we have women's lib seeking equality in the workplace which has been a tough sell. We are trying to change things but this seems to be comming very slowly.

    DL76

  • wanderlustguy
    wanderlustguy

    Awesome stuff Terry, I'm impressed.

  • love11
    love11

    Terry... stop talking like that, you're turning me on! lol

  • talesin
    talesin
    Terry... stop talking like that, you're turning me on! lol

    lol @ love

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Gumby:

    ......but guys are gross cuz they have ugly wrinkled up nutsacks.

    As opposed to women who have what kind of nutsacks?

  • MerryMagdalene
    MerryMagdalene
    As opposed to women who have what kind of nutsacks?

    Those of their men...or so I've heard...

    ~Merry (who never believes all of what she hears or any of what she sees)

  • talesin
    talesin

    Actually, Dragonlady, though I usually agree w/ you, and I respect your opinion, we see this issue in a somewhat different light.

    Terry was talking about 'motherhood', not 'childbearing'. Perhaps 'parenthood' would have been a better term for him to have used. Usually, women bear most of the work and worry of child-raising ,,,, many work full-time, and do the lion's share of parenting and housework ... and as you said, "ultimately we women end up with most of the responsibility".

    Yes, and why? Because we do it, we let it happen, we encourage it. Perhaps not you, perhaps not me (well, not all of the time, but I must admit ---> GUILTY!), but many women.

    Also, I have watched women slit their own throats so many times, allowing men to patronize them in the workplace, playing up their T&A factor to get what they want, and backstabbing other women. Competition w/ looks, makeup, and 'flirt' factor is huge on both the professional and personal scenes.

    I'm really hoping the 'third wave' of feminism works at changing this, but over the last thirty years, I have seen my generation go from independent, hopeful, 70s feminists, to 40-something drudges who are still saying things like "but I love him", and "if I don't do the laundry, he just lets it rot", and making catty talk about the gorgeous (though conservative) blonde supervisor, saying "who did she blow", when I had worked with her and knew she was smart, savvy, and never once did I see her use sex as a weapon.

    Education, education, education. Sadly, sisterhood, true sisterhood, is still an illusion for many.

    As a gender, we need to have higher expectations of ourselves and work at fulfilling them. Just my two, is all.

    t

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    ((( Terry ))) An incredible, and very credible analysis, especially having been there.

    At 48 I'm between the worlds of your generation and the one following me that has still differrent attitudes. Though a few women were in computer science, I had to bust my butt and my brain to get a toe hold. With just a GED, I was unable to get paid what I was worth; at one point I was to train a man in my department whose salary was twice what mine was. I finally refused until I received a raise to his salary, I was fired.

    Though a few women raced sailboats (my sport of choice), I had to prove my worth by working harder than any man on the boat. After 2 or 3 years of racing my arse off, I found my niche and more offers to race on high-end winning boats than I knew what to do with! And at least 2 of these crews never had women aboard on "serious" races.

    I chose a long time ago to not have children because I couldn't give them a solid place in life (not because of JWism). The smartest thing I never did.

    My dad taught me how to use his powertools when I was very young. Even younger my mom taught me how to sew. In my current (long term till death do us part) relationship, Kevan uses my tablesaw that I got in my last divorce, and I use his sewing machine. Thing is, I know how to use a tablesaw and many powertools better than he knows how to sew!

    WLG - and you thought you were going to get a joke thread going here, huh?

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    Old outdated joke:

    What does a woman do with her arsehole in the morning?

    She packs him a lunch and sends him off to work.

  • donald
    donald

    i veiw this Man vs woman stuff as a lot or crap...my wife and i have a tottaly equal marrige....we both have had carreers,,we both rasied the children....we consult each other on everything...i would do anything for her as she would me...i will not lower my fellow man as terry did ...by putting ALL the blame on man.....put put where it should be on both man and woman..the game has been played for thousands of years and still will be...

    man and woman have SO much to give...and its truly lovely when they give to each other..donald

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