Do you have to Kiss the Ass of the GB to be a Writer for the Watchtower? (page 2)

Narkissos

Did any of these people eventually leave

Afaik, no.

I really think you Governing Body members have made really a lot of enemies of the entire writing department,, and Are too oblivious to know it!!!!!,,It's funny when the mind gets old and set in its patern of thinking, how we can over look the obvious because we had our head up our a$$ thinking about all these problems being on the Governing Body brings so that you miss the obvious. You have made lot of enemies right there at bethel and now you can not trust no one,,nobody,,you don't even know any fellow GBs that you can trust,,how frightening that must be.

integ

I must say that the articles written for todays Awake, and a lot of the Watchtower articles, are dummied down a bit, but I'll tell you, some of that stuff from some of the older books, like; "Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God" and the like are pretty difficult for the layman to grasp. It could be because books like that were written in such a convoluted, confusing manner intentionally so they could say that only the "Special People" of the Faithful Slave Class could understand it, and thereby decipher it's "deep" meanings, so as to pass its glorious truths to the flock. Or it could just be a goobly mess of gobbely goop.

Integ.

Narkissos

Integ,

The kind of material you describe was typically Fred W. Franz's stuff: oracles of God not to be reviewed or discussed by anyone.

I had a personal experience of it when I was translating the Watchtower into French. Once I was struggling with a study article and came across a detail (I don't even remember what) which struck me as inconsistent with what the Society usually taught. Yet it was not introduced as a "new light": it seemed to be unintentional. As we were already into simultaneous publication (which means that we made the translation on a first draft of the original, which was not yet finalised nor published) I suggested we ask the Writing dept. in Brooklyn about the issue. My request went to the Branch Committee but it was stopped there. Someone in the local Writing dept. noticed the initials FWF on the article and then no one dared to ask. A kind of loose translation was imposed by the Branch Committee and in the next few weeks I was discharged of the Watchtower.

frankiespeakin

Nark,

Did that development lead to you eyes being opened??

frankiespeakin

Nark,

And BTW when I was talking about writers being a$$ kissers I was only refering to those in NY. I think the further away from the personal presents of the GB writer are the less a$$ kissing,,especially in a foreign country. BTW as a Frenchman how did you feel about an AngloAmerican run organization,,dictating how to live your life? Didn't that make you feel alittle strange. That is something I think about often is how strange it is that this angloamerican group can extend its influence to forieng countries. I think the Governing Body are in real hot water when it comes to the foreign countries.

frankiespeakin

I think in foreign countries that alot of these branch overseers are ploting on how to over throw the GB's control. Think of it?? In a foriegn country the GB's control is greatly reduced,,because of the language barrior,,the lack of the GB's presents,,so it is much easier to plan and sucessfully take over power from the WT org. Now that must have the GB really worried.

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Nark said:
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which they usually found out when the final English version was published, as the authorised version to be translated back into French.
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Hey, that's not the half of it. Did you know that the Greek "New World Translation" is an English to Greek translation?

So let's get this straight: They take a book originally written in Greek (at leat the O.T.) and then (mis-) translate it into English, and then that becomes the authorized version, which then gets (mis-) translated back into Greek.

If you have ever hear 1980's Saturday Night Live character singing "English songs which have been translated into French, and then back into English" you will realize how dangerous this policy is.

Narkissos

Did that development lead to you eyes being opened??

Yes, it was certainly part of the process. I for one had not noticed the initials and was quite surprised by that "fear of man," to put it WT-style.

Btw I just researched and found the article: Watchtower March 15, 1985. It was quite a messy commentary of Galatians and the detail I stumbled on was actually a formal contradiction with the text itself.

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Who, then, is "Jerusalem above"? To find out, let us first consider Isaiah 54:1-8, which reads in part:
"?Cry out joyfully, you barren woman that did not give birth! Become cheerful with a joyful outcry and cry shrilly, you that had no childbirth pains, for the sons of the desolated one are more numerous than the sons of the woman with a husbandly owner,? Jehovah has said. . . . ?For your Grand Maker is your husbandly owner, Jehovah of armies being his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. The God of the whole earth he will be called. For Jehovah called you as if you were a wife left entirely and hurt in spirit, and as a wife of the time of youth who was then rejected,? your God has said. ?For a little moment I left you entirely, but with great mercies I shall collect you together. With a flood of indignation I concealed my face from you for but a moment, but with loving-kindness to time indefinite I will have mercy upon you,? your Repurchaser, Jehovah, has said."

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There, in the first instance, Jehovah was not talking to a covenant. He was addressing a nation, his chosen people in the Mosaic Law covenant with him. From God?s standpoint, that nation made up a composite "woman" that was like a wife to him. According to the apostle Paul?s letter to the Galatians, that figurative "woman" was typical, but he does not say that she is a covenant, or compact. A covenant could not be comforted, consoled. Rather, Paul shows that the antitypical "woman" is something alive, like a "mother," just as the "husbandly owner," Jehovah, is alive as a Person having intelligence and ability to give comfort. Speaking of women of ancient history, the apostle wrote: "Now this Hagar [the maidservant who substituted for her mistress Sarah in bearing Ishmael to Abraham] means Sinai, a mountain in Arabia, and she [Hagar] corresponds with the Jerusalem today [when Paul was on earth], for she is in slavery [to the Mosaic Law covenant] with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother."?Galatians 4:25, 26.
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Hagar does not typify, or represent, the Mosaic Law covenant. Nor is that covenant with its Ten Commandments pictured by Mount Sinai, with which Hagar corresponds. Of course, God did not make any covenant with Mount Sinai. But it was there that he brought the Israelites, whom he had freed from Egyptian bondage, into a covenant relationship with himself, and he dealt with them as a free nation. This took place centuries after God made a unilateral covenant with Abraham, promising him a male seed.

What stopped me is that the text plainly says (v. 24): " Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One woman, in fact, is Hagar, from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery." Now this could be easily explained away (as paronomasis, for instance), but the author didn't bother to do so and just avoided the sentence he flatly contradicted. Anyone who would read the text of Galatians together with the Watchtower article could see that and object. So I candidly thought I was helping in pointing that out before the article was released. Fatal error.

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Just wanted to ask (with tongue only partially planted in cheek):

Just what part of whose a$$ had to be kissed in order to get the Gravitation and Electric Energy article published???

Seriously, this is a valid question. You see, my father's response to this article was simply "Oh boy, it looks like a very unscientific person took it upon themselves to publish a scientific article.

My question to my dad (haven't actually had the chance to ask him this yet): Exactly *HOW* does an individual take it upon themselves to get something published by WTS??? (or, in the context of this thread: exactly what part of whose body had to be kissed?)

~Quotes, of the "pucker up" class

Do you have to Kiss the Ass of the GB to be a Writer for the Watchtower?

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