144,000 going to heaven, based on what??

by truth_about_the_truth 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • aniron
    aniron

    If the Watchtowers teaching that the 144,000 were filled in 1935 is correct.

    How come that Jesus, the apostles and the immediate followers couldn't get 144,000 converts in 1,800 years, but the Watchtower got 6 million in 125 years?

    Why is there only one judgement period from Jehovah to test the endurance and worthiness of the 144,000 before they are guaranteed of eternal life. But the "other sheep" have to endure through this life, survive Armageddon, get through the 1,000 year millenium, then pass a final test before they are counted good enough for eternal life? Why is salvation easier for the 144,000? WHo you would think seeing they are going to heaven would be tested far more.

    The JW's teach that when a person dies they have paid for their sins. How will the "Great Crowd" who survive Armageddon pay for their sins since they will never die but go on living through the millenium.

    So the non-JW who dies today has paid for his sins. Armageddon comes etc. He is resurrected in the "new system" sinless. But the JW who has gone through Armageddon still has his sin. So who will be the superior one, the one with sin or the one without.

    Another thought the WT teach that Jehovah cannot deal directly with anyone who has sin. In that case does that mean the resurrected sinless non-JW will be able to deal with Jehovah, while the still sinful JW cannot.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia
    The JW's teach that when a person dies they have paid for their sins. How will the "Great Crowd" who survive Armageddon pay for their sins since they will never die but go on living through the millenium.

    This teaching also makes the apocalyptic concept of "Judgment Day", which occurs throughout the NT, meaningless. This concept is that the dead are resurrected for judgment, the righteous being rewarded with a blessed existence and the wicked being punished -- both on account of their deeds in their former life.

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    What amazes me, is that when JWs study the book of Revelation, they put a symbolic meaning on every number - 3, 7, 10, 12, 24 - just about everything has a "meaning". Then, when they come accross a number with such obvious symbolic connotations (12x12x10x10x10), it suddenly becomes literal.

  • Evanescence
    Evanescence
    7 After this I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrising, having a seal of [the] living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads."
    4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:5 Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed;
    out of the tribe of Reu'ben twelve thousand;
    out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand;
    6 out of the tribe of Ash'er twelve thousand;
    out of the tribe of Naph'ta·li twelve thousand;
    out of the tribe of Ma·nas'seh twelve thousand;
    7 out of the tribe of Sim'e·on twelve thousand;
    out of the tribe of Le'vi twelve thousand;
    out of the tribe of Is'sa·char twelve thousand;
    8 out of the tribe of Zeb'u·lun twelve thousand; out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand;out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.
    9 After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."
    11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: "Amen! The blessing and the glory and the wisdom and the thanksgiving and the honor and the power and the strength [be] to our God forever and ever. Amen."

    What about Australia, United states, England and all the other places that wasn't mentioned?

    Looks like we all got to get a citizenship in israel in order to be saved.

    Evanescence

  • Evanescence
    Evanescence

    143,998 people in heaven thats 143,998 one fell down, oh what a tradgety now there are 143,997 people in heaven!

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Out of the tribe of :

    Uber homosexuals 12,000
    Neo Nazi homos 12,000
    Fashionistas - 12,000
    Semi Bisexuals - 12,000

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz





    So 12 represents "Heavenly Perfection" supposedly. So 12 x 12 is like the ultimate, uber, a#1 perfection....i call HORSE SHIT

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    Out of the tribe of :

    Uber homosexuals 12,000
    Neo Nazi homos 12,000
    Fashionistas - 12,000
    Semi Bisexuals - 12,000

    ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz





    So 12 represents "Heavenly Perfection" supposedly. So 12 x 12 is like the ultimate, uber, a#1 perfection....i call HORSE SHIT

  • Evanescence
    Evanescence

    Christians believe that heavens gates and christs salvation is open to anybody not just the 144,000

    And yet the jehovah's witness deny that! How could they!

    Then again they probebly think that only the elders will be saved in the end, oh well it makes the bottle of beer game more fun!

    There are 143,997 elders in heaven thats 143,997! one fell down oh what a tradgety now there are 143,996 elders in heaven.

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    No shit right Euph? I mean really.... the Dub's are so insane saying "no this verse is literal"...."yes that verse is figuratively"...."yes literal"..."no imaginary".....
    ......does not compute........does not compute......

    They jump all over the bible and read partial verses and chapters to prove their points....wicked evildoers!

  • EvilForce
    EvilForce

    No shit right Euph? I mean really.... the Dub's are so insane saying "no this verse is literal"...."yes that verse is figuratively"...."yes literal"..."no imaginary".....
    ......does not compute........does not compute......

    They jump all over the bible and read partial verses and chapters to prove their points....wicked evildoers!

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