Meet Silentlambs In Person!

by silentlambs 94 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  Kismet

  Your post did not really indicate you were looking for an answer to be posted. I presumed you were asking rhetorical questions to try and get myself and/or others to justify or at least think about our position. But since you asked.. :)

  If defending 'ecclesiatic privilege'allows a child molester to go free and other children to be put at risk, is there moral and ethical basis for doing so?

  Personally I am against this antiquated, ill thought out 'loop hole'. However I am against singling out the JWs. If other religions can claim it I feel the WTBS is somewhat justified LEGALLY. Morally is another issue. Morality however is not usually fought in the courts.

  Morally, if they were indeed God's chosen people, one would think they would go above and beyond what other religions are doing in order to protect the flock, especially defenceless children.

  Could you look yourself in the mirror if you were responsible for a legal action that caused a child to be raped?

  Simplistic hypothetical situation, for which I cannot and will not provide an answer. There are far too many possibilities. I will say however that I would always do what I could to protect a child if it was within my ability to do so.

  Kismet
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  bajarama

  kismet,

  you said,

  Hoping this just isn't sensationalism trying to stir people up here but nothing said thusfar convinces me of Society backing in this case.

  Well then, I choose to not believe everything you say. Nor will I fly half way across the country at your request.

  
  
  Are you calling silentlambs a lair? Do you have proof what he is saying is sensationalism? What have you done to help victims of the Watchtower?

  This post is not about you, or what you think, nor may I add do I care? Silentlambs never asked for your commentary, just your support if you were able to give it. Go start a new post with all your babble and maybe someone will throw you a bone of attenion.

  bajarama
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  silentlambs

  you said:

  "funny.........were you there at the trial to hear the death threats?"

  Yes, I heard the recorded tapes of the event. Did you?

  you said:

  "or were you there at the meeting to hear the heros welcome and crys and hugs....that is straight out bullshit...more so than the borg feeds..how would I know?.......becuase my immediate family was there , in fact questioned,and was there for the meeting....hardly a heros welcome...in fact he left immediately after his re-instatement"

  I made absolutely no reference to the reaction at the six month reinstatement meeting. Perhaps you might want to read a little slower. I made reference to the first meeting when he returned from prision. I happened to talk with someone who was there. Were you?

  "....please keep your false accuasation from polluting the cause of exposing the society...if you want names to prove myself........i could give initials of the other victims who refused to testify............nuff said"

  Other victims who refused to testify? Would you care to explain why two other little children that were raped by this "brother" refused to testify?

  I guess by your line of reasoning if Jeffery Dahlmer's mother had of been a witness. Brothers and sisters should have filled the courtroom to show their support of her?

  I don't think so....
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  Kismet

  bajarama:

  I understand where you are coming from. However a few things...

  Are you calling silentlambs a lair?

  No I did not call him a liar. I asked for clarification. When it couldn't be provided I simply chose not to believe 'every uttered expression'

  Do you have proof what he is saying is sensationalism? What have you done to help victims of the Watchtower?

  the proof is on the individual that makes the initial allegation to provide proof. Onus is not on those reading an article to prove it wrong but on an author to validate his assertions.

  What I have done for victims is a) none of your business and b) a non issue in this thread.

  you continued:

  This post is not about what you, or what you think, nor may I add do I care?

  Nice. Close mindedness is such a blissful condition I am sure. You are able to read Bill's mind to determine his intent of his post??

  Silentlambs never asked for your commentary, just your support if you were able to give it.

  I will say this slowly. this ...is .. a ... DISCUSSION Board. If someone posts something here it is open for discussion.

  Go start a new post with all your babble and maybe someone will throw you a bone of attenion

  tell ya what...when you become owner of this board I'll give a rat's ass about following your rules of posting...until then let's not detract any further from the topic of this thread.

  If you have a problem with me take it to email or if you want your own 'bone' start a new thread and continue your attack on me there.

  Kismet

  PS - There seems to be an awful lot of underlying seething venom in your post. Strange to see that in 'first contact' If you have issues with me under another alias why not deal with those rather than trying to mask it under concern for Bill.
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  bajarama

  Kismet,

  You stated,

  There seems to be an awful lot of underlying seething venom in your post. Strange to see that in 'first contact' If you have issues with me under another alias why not deal with those rather than trying to mask it under concern for Bill.

  Sorry Kismet, I'm not a troll.

  bajarama
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  belbab

  I would like to make this suggestion, If all who attend this court case wore a green ribbon to identify support for all silent lambs wherever they may be, the atmosphere in the court will be changed somewhat. No?

  For more details link to: http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=311102&CategoryID=2967&ThreadID=48543&xxx=872&tolast=yes
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  Pathofthorns

  The sad thing about this issue is that when one exercises caution regarding information presented so as not to be caught up in anything that could be regarded as "sensationalism", all of a sudden that person is attacked for "protecting child molesters" and "calling Silentlambs a liar".

  Only a foolish person accepts information without a reasonably critical examination, and only an arrogant person expects others to accept what comes from him without permitting reasonable enquiry as to the basis of the information he presents. If it is necessary to withhold the facts which are the basis of his information, a person has every right to be cautious until such time as they are revealed.

  Because of Kismet's background and perspective regarding matters of this sort, it is not unreasonable for him to question Bill regarding these matters.

  Further, given the nature of the Witness religion and the extra scrutiny "apostates" come under, one has to be prepared to prove every single statement. One mistaken "fact" or any sort of sensationalism can destroy their confindence in everything you've proven.

  Path
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  nytelecom1

  Yes, I heard the recorded tapes of the event. Did you?

  
  Really, perhaps you could post them in the net..I could identify voices, position in the congergation, relatives, etc...

  I made absolutely no reference to the reaction at the six month reinstatement meeting. Perhaps you might want to read a little slower. I made reference to the first meeting when he returned from prision. I happened to talk with someone who was there. Were you?

  
  No I was serving elsewhere at the time, funny thing is, when my mother called me and I spoke to the rest of my family who were at this meeting, the idea of welcoming him back this way would be ludicrous. You better check your sources again

  Other victims who refused to testify? Would you care to explain why two other little children that were raped by this "brother" refused to testify?

  The other "two children" were not children as you said. The were both married and over 25, why they didn't want to testify is not for me to question or anyone else. And despite what you may want to believ, the org had nothing to do with that one.
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  68storm

  I cannot comment on the WTS's involvement in cases involving molesters but I have reason to believe that they will use society lawyers in order to protect their precious organization. While I was in the process of divorcing my jw spouse, (her petition) I researched a lot of divorce cases where they did defend the jw. My understanding is that if the member has the financial means they will sit back until that is exhausted first. (they may be cash rich but not stupid) Once the person's bank account is emptied they will use society funds. (please make no mistake… They have enormous amounts of cash)

  In fact, here in Canada, there was a case ( I can't recall the details) where the society lost and the court ordered them to pay the legal fees because of the imbalance proven regarding financial resources.

  Bill,

  You are a very couragious man. My hat's off to you. Keep the battle going for the good of all humanity. I wish that all of us could be of more assistance.

  68storm
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  mommy

  Silentlambs,
  I think that it is wonderful, you, and a few others will be there for her. Obviously she recieved little support the first time around. Financially I am unable to attend, I wish I was closer! Congrats to all the hard work, you are really an inspiration to many.

  Kismet,
  Hey I just wanted to jump in here and mention something. I understand where you are coming from, when you demand proof of the society's involvement. BUT, we are not talking about a man who went in field service and counted it on his secular time card. We are talking about a person who has been convicted of sexual molestation of a child. FOR YEARS, he molested her, and was Df for what 6 months?!?

  There is a very thin line of where you should stand up and start demanding proof. Silentlambs has proven over and over again to be a haven for many lost people. I am quite honestly shocked when I see others try to discredit him. And contrary to what Path said, I feel you were discrediting him.

  The society has policies, that encouraged, Erica to remain silent. Is that a fact? Of course it is.

  The society has initiated the DF and reinstatement policies. Is that a fact? Of course it is.

  Erica is not the only silentlamb. If there are any negative comments made, many may not feel strong enough to come forward. We do not want that do we? So they have to live for years, with pain, another caused. Because there are people on this discussion board, adding their comments to a discussion.

  I like you alot Kismet, but you must realize that your comments could be interpretted as a negative look at all of the work Silentlambs has done. I was not impressed.
  wendy

  In a controversy the instant we feel anger, we have already ceased striving for the truth, and have begun striving for ourselves.