Working on a Logical Problem (page 5)

dunsscot

:Duns

WATER IS.

Any attempt to define or label it is changes nothing.
Lyall Watson wrote about water and its properties - it is beyond
subjective descriptions.:

Dear Trevor,

Remember that Kripke wrote:

"When I refer to heat, I refer not to an internal sensation that someone may have, but to an external phenomenon which we perceive through the sense of feeling; it produces a characteristic sensation which we call the sensation of heat. Heat IS the motion of molecules" (page 129).

Note that Kripke associates heat with motion of molecules. This observation is based on nomological principles.

He also thinks that water is an objective phenomenon. Surely you are not saying that the statement, "water is H20," is a subjective description. This theoretical statement of identity is something that we can verify scientifically. "Water is H20," may not exhaust the "essence" of water. But it does not seem to be a subjective description either.

Duns the Scot

teejay

larc,

you said,

Are you losing it? Even though we have our disagreements, I don't want to see you unravel. Hang in there buddy. Life is good.

now, THAT was funny.

ladonna

WhyNow2000,

Just get yourself a good laxative!!!!!!

Ana

"Good music is very close to primitive language."

Farkel

This is just a stab at you, GS. I don't really mean it, but it plays well in here!

: I am sitting in my office working on a problem and I need your help. Do you think that these sentences are true?

: 1) H20 is water

: 2) Water is H20.

The question is loaded. I haven't bothered to read the answers in this tread because, frankly you bore me.

"Dogs are animals."

"Animals are Dogs."

You won't get this banter in your local KH, GS. You get it here. You prefer "here" to your local KH, don't you?

Farkel

larc

Hello brother Farkel,

While Duns is trying to understand the nature of water, others are trying to figure out the nature of child abuse, spousal abuse, mental illness, failed prophecy, educational restrictions, military draft issues, blood issues, and a generally fucked up system. Once Duns understands the nature of water, he might move on to these other distasteful subjects.

Farkel

larc,

: Once Duns understands the nature of water, he might move on to these other distasteful subjects.

He's having a tough time with water right now.

Give the poor slob a break, will ya!

Farkel

Tina

Yes poor gregdunitagain is havin a tough time with water...
(thinking elements here) DunnyGreg can be classified as
Billclintium Bc
A slick appearance and slimy texture,this element undergoes a series of changes when in hot water.

Class dismissed,Tina (LOL)

Country Joe

Hey Duns,
Why are you pontificating on such kindergarten pedantics like, "Is Water H2O", when you could, in happenstance, be spending much more quality time perusing the much more sublime sophistry of,
"The Watchtower is a False Prophet"
"A False Prophet is the Watchtower"

To answer your question so as that you can alternatively go and do something FAR more constructive, like, eat, drink, sleep, build your own shack, etc; My most humble yet, no doubt, somehow opinionated answer to BOTH of your Water questions is,
YES!!!
Not to be a Party Pooper, Duns, but have you EVER considered the possibility, that if you don't come back to Earth on occasion, you might go and do a Kierkegaard and THINK Yourself into an INSANE ASYLUM?
Joe (Wondering just WHAT in the HELL did I just say, and DAMN this Guiness is some GOOD SHIT)

larc

Hey Country Joe,

I really like your stuff. I remember when you came in on the Ark theory guy, about the tools and the hewing of the timber. I liked that. Well, the "real truth" guy hasn't been back for awhile. I guess he is still doing his research. Maybe, the wordsmith, Duns, could take up his cause. Well, probably not, Duns doesn't like to deal in reality.

Country Joe

Hi Larc,
Thanks!
Been meaning to ask you;
What did it feel like to have your "Paradigm Shift" on you?
What gear were you in when it decided to shift?
And did you speed up or slow down when it decided to shift on you?:o)

Ayup! I think Jason has headed for the hills.
I hope he finds some Truth when he gets there.
I think we gave him more than enough to chew on while he makes his journey to them Truth Hills.
He always sounded to me like he just graduated from some sort of Bible Truth College and just like some Idiot Black Belt in Karate, he just couldn't stand to NOT pick a fight to prove how much he has learned; But like most Black Belts eventually find out, they are only JUST BEGINNING to understand.

Concerning the Ark thing, I've been thinking on the tree cutting problem and decided that it would take much longer than one day per tree. Maybe a small tree for a small beam, but closer to a few days for the bigger trees.
I got to remembering when I was in Forestry School, the Prof. gave me and my partner, during our outside Lab Session, a big Beech tree to cut down with our finely honed and wonderfully made high carbon steel ax heads mounted on hickory handles. We were suppose to cut this thing down during our four hour Lab Session, Right? Mind you I was around 18 or 19 and in the best of shape. I had previously got into body building with the intent of surviving a tour of duty in Vietnam in the event I got drafted. Somehow I thought bigger muscels might stop bullets better or something stupid like that.
Anywho, my partner and I started wailing away on this old tree that was around two feet in diameter or better, and from the first swing, I knew we had a problem. The ax would stick and you spent half your time unsticking it. Don't know much about "Gopher Wood", but Beech is tough by nature anyway, and it sure manifested its character on us poor slobs trying to cut it down.
Well, By the end of our Lab session, we had got maybe a third of the way through this poor old tree, and we were to say the least, a couple of tuckered out old boys. That old ax handle ripped up my hands pretty good too, even the callouses I already had going.
We were pretty glad to see the old Prof come along with his trusty chainsaw to finish the job just before heading home.
Now, take the same tree or ANY tree and use a piece of crap BRONZE ax head and see how long it takes.
Then I got to thinking that Noah's boys were all just little babies when he got the word to start building the Ark, which also means he didn't have diddly squat for help. At least for about 12 years or so.
Now try to picture Noah doing what I tried to do when I was young and vigourous.
Well, I'm stll pretty vigourous, just not so young.
I even retained a brain cell or two cuz, nowadays, I got a chainsaw too.
Not doing so hot in the hair cell retention department though.

I read somewhere that the Pacific Northwest Indians might take a couple weeks to down a large Red Cedar using pre whiteman hardware. And that is with a bunch of different folks working at it.
But, alas, Noah should be so lucky to have such trees and such help.

Dunsie taking up Jasons cause?
Nah! The REALITY of it all will kill him dead for sure.
Dunsie's Motto appears to be; "If you can't DAZZLE them with your Brilliance, BAFFEL them with your BULLSHIT".

Joe

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