Recent Assembly: You can be guilty of having "an apostate state of mind."

by truthseeker 33 Replies latest jw friends

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  somebody

  Truthseeker….. you brought up a great topic. I agree with what Jeff Schwehm said. That being that the WTS Incorporated is still teaching ( for about 20 years) that even to not believe what the group of humans who claim to “represent” the “faithful and discreet slave” teach is to apostate from not THEMSELVES, but GOD. They have taught that and just laying it on stronger now because they have been exposed. So the last resort is to start laying on the guilt stronger and stronger in order to keep at least the FOLLOWERS OF THEMSELVES that they have already sought and gained.

  Gopher….The WTS Incorporated teach that the resurrection of SOME (who were JWs of course) has ALREADY HAPPENED..

  Amazing1914 has the reason for the WTS Incorporated organization to give such talks to IT’S OWN followers correct. As a matter of fact, the WTS is doing what it once wrote about Catholic leaders did to their own followers and according to the WTS INC. it backfired. I just wonder why it thinks if it does the same thing, it won’t make it’s own followers start reading all the “apostate” sites that it itself reads? It is no secret on the WORLD WIDE WEB that the WTS INC read “apostate” sites and in fact keep reading such sites ALL THE TIME. There are things going on right in front of their own noses that they don’t even see because they are too busy stretching their own noses out. Which is always a good thing!!!

  Jourles…”He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding”

  Alrighty then. Can anyone explain how one can go about not advocating or insisting on personal opinions and ideas and at the same time not harbor them?

  Minimus….” amen, do you mean paranoid?”

  LOL….I was thinking the same question but couldn’t bring myself to ask! Perhaps it depends on where we are located when using certain words? Either way, you never fail to bring a smile to my heart,, (Yes, hearts can smile! J )

  peace,

  gwen...who is still trying to get through George Orwell's 1984. I'm having a heard time because BIG BROTHER is the EXACT IMAGE of THE ORGANIZATION to me, as I try to keep reading. I find it very hard to read because I still can't believe that I was an ACTIVE member of such a "thing". And I left years ago but it feels like it was just yesterday at times such as reading such a book.
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  doofdaddy

  There's the "guilt"word again
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  somebody

  "guilt" is a word. It is also the greatest best coercion tool. (I'd have to say that we all probaly use it slightly when other people don't react the way we want them to, even as joke sometimes ). And all cult leaders know that it is the greatest coercion tool.. It's the ONE tool all of the greastest known cult leaders have used in the past, and the leaders of the biggest cults' leader's still use today. Just look at the guilt trip they lay on people who are still just "studies" of the JW organization for a time and won't get baptized in association with the organization! Wasn't the "knowledge book" released by the WTS INC. with the GOAL that "studies" will become "members" within 6 months? And that's not even mentioning yhe WTS INC teaching that if one is not "progressing" that they no longer have the freedom to pray to GOD and be heard BY GOD. Talk about being puffed up with pride even for an INCORPORATED BOOK PUBLISHING BUSINESS!!!

  peace,

  gwen.... who loves your profile.
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  zagor

  Typical CULT, Waco here we come....
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  BluesBrother

  I can't help wondering what they can possibly hope to gain from a pogrom of closet "apostate thinkers" . Many of us still maintain an easy relationship with a cong. We attend with the family when it suits us, we keep our mouth shut at the meeting and are well behaved. I have had several talks with elders, making no secret of my "problems with the faith" sharing U N letters etc.

  They now seem content to leave me alone and despite even my request for a further Bible discussion, they do not want to know. Looking back, I can think of other ex "brothers" who did the same . I could not understand why, then, but I understand perfectly now.

  What do they gain if they kick me out? My wife would possibly quit their congo in a huff and go elsewhere. They lose two "bums on seats", and gain nothing,

  We shall see.
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  JV

  Somebody, you hit the nail on the head, who gives them the right to decide who gets to pray to God or not? I mean something as stupid as making "progress" which differs from person to person. All that does is crush a person's spirit. Not that good of a feeling when some "person" tells you that you aren't worthy enough to pray to God.
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  zagor

  That's exactly what you would expect from a cult, complete mind control, complete transparency. Heck, if only borg was so transparent we wouldn’t be so fired up about NGO thing, or blood in Bulgaria, or financial ties with Rand Cam military corp. Need I continue?
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  ellderwho

  Well said Garybuss,

  They've got a sort of delicate balancing act to pull off. They have to preach love while being really mean . . . and still avoid a revolt.

  I betcha WT cringes at your posts'
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  Dragonlady76

  I can't help wondering what they can possibly hope to gain from a pogrom of closet "apostate thinkers" .

  That's exactly what this is.

  "Hail Jah"

  DL76
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  TheListener

  If they apply enough guilt those who are married to faders, those who haven't turned them in yet will start to do so.

  I definitely believe that the organization is going through a process of becoming stricter. Much of this is due to the internet.

  Amazing1914 is right on. They are working furiously to close the fading loophole. This will backfire with some.

  I know some individuals who have unbelieving mates (who used to believe). They have a fine relationship without discussing any truth related material. The believing mate would never accept a decision to da/df the unbelieving mate because the unbelieving mate has done nothing scritpurally wrong.

  Many believers feel that it is ok to stop believing one day and chalk it up to lack of faith. They don't necessarily feel that it is ok to shun someone who does that. If they begin to get the feeling and instructions that they should shun anyone who stops believing (thus killing the fade scenario) they could rebel. Perhaps.