Help me out, ex-jw Christians: JW and salvation

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  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    take them out into nature and sit quietly with them and seek within yourselves for what has no beginning or end.

    This is assuming that a person is not prevented from doing this by some neurological disorder, or that they are not bedridden by some disease or injury, or not confined to a prison cell, etc.

    hmike, actually the seeking I am referring to is directed within us, and although being out in nature is conducive to this seeking, it can be done in a hospital bed, or a prison cell, wherever.

    Isn't the desire for better things fundamental to the human race? Otherwise, we'd be living like animals, if we would be alive at all. The desire for salvation is the desire to improve conditions, perhaps to some kind of ideal. If there's no vision of something better, and no desire and effort to bring it about, how do we make progress?

    Yes, you're right, it does seem to be fundamental, and I am not advising to abandon efforts to make progress on the phenomenal level.

    The only differences I see in ideas of salvation are "What are we being saved from/to," and "How do we get there?"

    Again, on a phenomenal level we certainly seem to need saving. However, what I am referring to is our deeper, foundational Identity, that is not at all the person-who-needs-saving that we believe ourselves to be. It is the very same true Identity of every one, every animal, every tree, every star. It is what the word "God" points to; and It's available for discovery if there is an earnest and sincere desire to.

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