Questioning the Big Bang Theory

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  • Rod P
    Rod P

    Zagor,

    This is a bit of a follow-up to your sites against Eric Lerner.

    I thought it would be best to bring things a little more up-to-date by allowing Eric Lerner himself to respond with his own article:

    Big Bang Never Happened Home Page and SummaryIn 1991, my book, the Big Bang Never Happened(Vintage), presented evidence that the Big Bang theory was contradicted by observations and that another approach, plasma cosmology, which hypothesized a universe without begin or end, far better explained what we know of the cosmos. The book set off a considerable debate. Since then, observations have only further confirmed these conclusions, although the Big Bang remains by far the most widely accepted theory of cosmology.

    This website provides an update on the evidence and the debate over the Big Bang, including the latest
    technical review and a reply to a widely- circulated criticism as well as a technical reading list, a report on a recent workshop and links to other relevant sites, including one that described my own work on fusion power, which is closely linked to my work in cosmology. What is the evidence against the Big Bang? Light Element Abundances predict contradictory densitiesThe Big bang theory predicts the density of ordinary matter in the universe from the abundance of a few light elements. Yet the density predictions made on the basis of the abundance of deuterium, lithium-7 and helium-4 are in contradiction with each other, and these predictions have grown worse with each new observation. The chance that the theory is right is now less than one in one hundred trillion. Large-scale Voids are too oldThe Big bang theory predicts that no object in the universe can be older than the Big Bang. Yet the large-scale voids observed in the distortion of galaxies cannot have been formed in the time since the Big Bang, without resulting in velocities of present-day galaxies far in excess of those observed. Given the observed velocities, these voids must have taken at least 70 billion years to form, five times as long as the theorized time since the Big Bang.

    Surface brightness is constant
    One of the striking predictions of the Big Bang theory is that ordinary geometry does not work at great distances. In the space around us, on earth, in the solar system and the galaxy (non-expanding space), as objects get farther away, they get smaller. Since distance correlates with redshift, the product of angular size and red shift, qz, is constant. Similarly the surface brightness of objects, brightness per unit area on the sky, measured as photons per second, is a constant with increasing distance for similar objects.

    In contrast, the Big Bang expanding universe predicts that surface brightness, defined as above, decreases as (z+1) -3 . More distant objects actually should appear bigger. But observations show that in fact the surface brightness of galaxies up to a redshift of 6 are exactly constant, as predicted by a non-expanding universe and in sharp contradiction to the Big Bang. Efforts to explain this difference by evolution--early galxies are different than those today-- lead to predictions of galaxies that are impossibly bright and dense.”
    Too many Hypothetical Entities--Dark Matter and Energy, Inflation The Big Bang theory requires THREE hypothetical entities--the inflation field, non-baryonic (dark) matter and the dark energy field to overcome gross contradictions of theory and observation. Yet no evidence has ever confirmed the existence of any of these three hypothetical entities. Indeed, there have been many lab experiments over the past 23 years that have searched for non-baryonic matter, all with negative results. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the Big Bang does not predict an isotropic (smooth) cosmic background radiation(CBR). Without non-baryonic matter, the predictions of the theory for the density of matter are in self-contradiction, inflation predicting a density 20 times larger than any predicted by light element abundances (which are in contradiction with each other). Without dark energy, the theory predicts an age of the universe younger than that of many stars in our galaxy. No room for dark matterWhile the Big bang theory requires that there is far more dark matter than ordinary matter, discoveries of white dwarfs(dead stars) in the halo of our galaxy and of warm plasma clouds in the local group of galaxies show that there is enough ordinary matter to account for the gravitational effects observed, so there is no room for extra dark matter.No Conservation of EnergyThe hypothetical dark energy field violates one of the best-tested laws of physics--the conservation of energy and matter, since the field produces energy at a titanic rate out of nothingness. To toss aside this basic conservation law in order to preserve the Big Bang theory is something that would never be acceptable in any other field of physics.Alignment of CBR with the Local SuperclusterThe largest angular scale components of the fluctuations(anisotropy) of the CBR are not random, but have a strong preferred orientation in the sky. The quadrupole and octopole power is concentrated on a ring around the sky and are essentially zero along a preferred axis. The direction of this axis is identical with the direction toward the Virgo cluster and lies exactly along the axis of the Local Supercluster filament of which our Galaxy is a part. This observation completely contradicts the Big Bang assumption that the CBR originated far from the local Supercluster and is, on the largest scale, isotropic without a preferred direction in space. (Big Bang theorists have implausibly labeled the coincidence of the preferred CBR direction and the direction to Virgo to be mere accident and have scrambled to produce new ad-hoc assumptions, including that the universe is finite only in one spatial direction, an assumption that entirely contradicts the assumptions of the inflationary model of the Big Bang, the only model generally accepted by Big Bang supporters.) Evidence for Plasma cosmology Plasma theory correctly predicts light element abundancesPlasma filamentation theory allows the prediction of the mass of condensed objects formed as a function of density. This leads to predictions of the formation of large numbers of intermediate mass stars during the formations of galaxies. These stars produce and emit to the environment the observed amounts of 4He, but very little C, N and O. In addition cosmic rays from these stars can produce by collisions with ambient H and He the observed amounts of D and 7Li.Plasma theory predicts from basic physics the large scale structure of the universeIn the plasma model, superclusters, clusters and galaxies are formed from magnetically confined plasma vortex filaments. The plasma cosmology approach can easily accommodate large scale structures, and in fact firmly predicts from basic physical principles a fractal distribution of matter, with density being inversely proportional to the distance of separation of objects. This fractal scaling relationship has been borne out by many studies on all observable scales of the universe. Naturally, since the plasma approach hypothesizes no origin in time for the universe, the large amounts of time need to create large-scale structures present no problems for the theory.Plasma theory of the CBR predict absorption of radio waves, which is observedThe plasma alternative views the energy for the CBR as provided by the radiation released by early generations of stars in the course of producing the observed 4He. The energy is thermalized and isotropized by a thicket of dense, magnetically confined plasma filaments that pervade the intergalactic medium. It has accurately matched the spectrum of the CBR using the best-quality data set from the COBE sattelite. Since this theory hypotheses filaments that efficiently scatter radiation longer than about 100 microns, it predicts that radiation longer than this from distant sources will be absorbed, or to be more precise scattered, and thus will decrease more rapidly with distance than radiation shorter than 100 microns. Such an absorption has been demonstrated by comparing radio and far-infrared radiation from galaxies at various distances--the more distant, the greater the absorption effect. New observations have shown the exact same absorption at a wavelength of 850 microns, just as predicted by plasma theory.

    The alignment of the CBR anisotropy and the local Supercluster confirms the plasma theory of CBR
    If the density of the absorbing filaments follows the overall density of matter, as assumed by this theory, then the degree of absorption should be higher locally in the direction along the axis of the (roughly cylindrical) Local Supercluster and lower at right angles to this axis, where less high-density matter is encountered. This in turn means that concentrations of the filaments outside the Local Supercluster, which slightly enhances CBR power, will be more obscured in the direction along the supercluster axis and less obscured at right angle to this axis, as observed.

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  • Rod P
    Rod P


    I would like to post one more article by Eric Lerner, just so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

    Cosmology in 2004: A bad year for the Big Bang

    By Eric J. Lerner

    Lawrenceville Plasma Physics

    The past year brought a steady drum beat of observational and theoretical bad news for the Big Bang theory, making that hypothesis more untenable then ever. Data on the cosmic microwave background (CMB), on distant and near galaxies, on the abundances of light elements, added to the evidence that the universe is much older than the hypothetical Big Bang, that dark matter does not exist, and that the universe is not expanding.

    While Big Bang supporters relied more and more on their control over funding and open suppression of alternative views, the debate over cosmology burst into public view with the publication in May of an Open Letter on Cosmology in New Scientist, among the most prominent of popular science magazines. The open letter, denouncing the orthodoxy of conventional cosmology, urges the funding of alterative approaches. It has now been signed by hundreds of scientists from countries around the globe.

    The following review just touches on some of the mass of new data published in the past year and is in no way comprehensive.

    WMAP Gives Big Bang a Slap

    The biggest of many headaches supplied to Big Bang theorists last year has been the data from the WMAP satellite, which provides high resolution mapping of the intensity of the CMB across the sky. Intially, the results were hailed as a "complete confirmation of the Big Bang inflationary" theory. But subsequent analysis has shown that even the most basic predictions of the theory were contradicted by the data. To put it simply, the theory predicted that the tiny fluctuations in intensity of the radiation would be randomly scattered across the sky. In fact, they are anything but random.

    The inflationary Big Bang hypothesis states that fluctuations in the CMB originated in the first 10 -35 seconds of the Big Bang from random, quantum variations in the still purely hypothetical inflation field. So a firm prediction of the theory is that the fluctuations we see will be random, or follow a Gaussian distribution, not correlated with each other in any way. As leading Big Banger Michael Turner wrote in Dec. 2002, "The inflation-produced density perturbations arise from quantum fluctuations in a very weakly coupled (essentially free) scalar field and hence should be Gaussian to a high degree of precision." (ArXiv: astro-ph/0212281). Many other theorists said the same thing.

    But WMAP showed something very different. Researchers analyzed the fluctuations in intensity of temperature in terms of spherical modes, breaking down the fluctuations into those with two peaks of valleys in the entire sphere (dipole); three (tripole); four (quadrupole), etc. up to thousands of poles. If the fluctuations were random, there should be not special alignment among any of the modes. Each direction should look more or less the same as any other. Instead the WMAP data showed that large scale fluctuations—octopole through dipole-- were oriented not randomly but in a plane. In addition, what fluctuations there were in the direction perpendicular to the plane were much larger in the South direction than the North. The two hemispheres of the sky did not look the same—one was much "smoother" than the other. More, the fluctuations in the dipole, tripole quadrupole and octopole modes were all closely aligned with each other. This alignment had only a one in ten thousand chance of being a random coincidence.

    What was worse for the Big Bang was that the axis of this alignment was the axis of the Local Superclsuter, a massive array of clusters of galaxies centered on the Virgo cluster. In the direction of the Virgo cluster, large-scale fluctuations were far less than away from Virgo. This local alignment entirely contradicted the Big Bang hypotheses that the CMB originated in the far distant universe, many billions of years ago. (There are a large number of papers here, but the most significant are: ApJ 605, 14; arXiv:astro-ph/0311430; arXiv:astro-ph/0310511; arXiv:astro-ph/0402399; arXiv:astro-ph/0403353; arXiv:astro-ph/0405187).

    While such alignments contradict the basic prediction of the Big Bang, they are completely consistent with plasma cosmology theories. These theories explain the CMB as being produced by light from stars, thermalized and isotropisized (smoothed) by scattering in dense magnetic filaments throughout the universe. Since the last surface of scattering is only about 6 Mpc away, it is to be expected that fluctuations lithe CMB aligned with the Local superclsuter, which is about 10 Mpc in diameter and points toward Virgo.

    Additional evidence of non-randomness is that the hotspots and cold spots in the CMB tend to be highly elliptical, not circular as they should be in Gaussian distribution.

    And there is further evidence that, as the plasma hypothesis predicts, the alignment of the CMB has to do with the alignment of magnetic fields in the Local supercluster. Studies by Pankaj Jain of the Indian Institute of Technology, John Ralston of Kansas University (arXiv:astro-ph/0301530) and others (arXiv: astro-ph/0501043) have shown that the polarization of light from quasar is not randomly oriented, but has a preferred direction—the direction of the Virgo cluster, the same preferred direction of the CMB. This would make sense if the CMB is scattered by magnetic filaments that are aligned with a large scale supercluster magnetic field, but is very difficult to explain if it travels unchanged from billions of light years away, as the BB hypothesizes.

    Theoretical calculations added to the contradictions. Richard Lieu of the University of Alabama demonstrated mathematically that if the CMB originates at great distance, gravitational lensing will magnify its intensity for any observer by about 1.5% compared with a perfect blackbody spectrum with the same peak frequency (arXiv:astro-ph/0409655). This is in gross contradiction with observations, which show an agreement at least a thousand times better with a perfect black body. This implies again than the surface of last scattering of the CMB is a few Mpc away, not a few thousand Mpcs as in the BB theory.

    Big Bang Gets Geometry Wrong

    One of the striking predictions of the Big bang theory is that ordinary geometry does not work at great distances. In the space around us, on earth, in the solar system and the galaxy, non-expanding space, as objects get farther away, they get smaller. Since distance correlates with redshift, the product of angular size and red shift, q z, is constant. Similarly the surface brightness of objects, brightness per unit area on the sky, measured as photons per second, is a constant with increasing distance for similar objects.

    But the Big Bang expanding universe predicts that surface brightness, defined as above, decreases as (z+1) -3 , while q z actually increases as (z+1)f(z) where f(z) is a slowly varying function depending on the exact cosmological model.

    Observations at intermediate red shifts up to z~3 had shown that observed surface brightness remains roughly constant while angular size continues to decrease as 1/z, resulting in approximately constant q z, in agreement with the non-expanding (Euclidean) model. But BB supporters interpreted this as evidence for evolution of the galaxies observed. High-z galaxies are assumed to be much smaller and much brighter than present day galaxies, comparable to the very brightest starburst galaxies, so that their intrinsic evolution compensates for the predicted drop in surface brightness and increase in angular size. Conventional cosmologists anticipated that the still higher red shift data from Hubble Ultra Deep Field would reveal the expected (z+1) -3 surface brightness scaling and (z+1) angular size scaling.

    But a preliminary analysis of the HUDF data that I presented at Goddard Space Flight Center in August shows that even out to z=6, the data is an excellent fit to the non-expanding model with distance proportional to redshift and a terrible fit for the Big Bang model. The figure below shows the average observed q z data as trapezoids and the Big Bang predictions as squares. The fit to the horizontal, non-expanding Euclidean model is excellent. By contrast, the BB model requires that galaxies observed at z=6 be 20 times smaller in radius and 340 times brighter in UV surface brightness than existing average galaxies. For some of the new data, see arXiv: astro-ph/0406562.



    A universe getting older—fast

    The Big Bang has always been dogged by observations of objects—galaxies, stars, large scale structures—that seem much older than the hypothesized age of the Big Bang itself. This situation has continued to get worse over the past year. On the theoretical side, an team of researchers at University of Warsaw and University of Cape Town carried out BB simulations with a wide variety of cosmological parameters tried try to create realistic voids in the distribution of galaxies (arXiv:astro-ph/0411126). They were trying to generate voids that are as empty as those actually observed, where the voids have 20 times less density (galaxies per cubic Mpc) than the average density. They were trying to create voids that were only 20 Mpc in radius, considerably smaller than the largest voids observed, which 80-90 Mpc in radius. They also did not attempt to limit the current velocity of galaxies moving out of the voids to below the velocities actually observed. Yet they found that it was utterly impossible to get such voids in the time since the Big Bang. Using the "concordance model" with dark matter and dark energy, and starting with fluctuations that are consistent, in the BB model, with observations of the background radiation, they were able to produce voids that had about half the average density at their centers, instead of the observed 5% of average. In addition the outflow velocities would be around 700 km/sec, far above the maximum outflow velocities observed of 250 km/sec.

    To produce anything like the emptiness of present day voids, the models had to start out with fluctuations some 800 times larger than those assumed in the currently popular Big Bang model. Thus density fluctuations would have to be about 8x10 -3 , not 10 -5 and velocities would have to be of the order of 2,400 km/sec, not 30 km/sec. Such large fluctuations would, in the BB models, create fluctuations in the CMB brightness 800 times larger than those observed. And the galaxies would be fleeing from these voids today at 2,000 km/sec, ten times that observed.

    The only way to avoid these results, the researchers found, would be to abandon the inflation model, with W =1 and set up a "daschund" universe with a careful balance of dark energy and dark matter that would make the universe 32 billion years old, not 14 billion years. In private communication, the authors agreed that this model was not at all realistic. For one thing, the abandonment of inflation would create massive contradictions between BB predictions and observations of the CMB. Alternatively, if one eliminated dark energy, the model could create suitable voids—given nine HUNDRED billion years. In short, there was absolutely no way to reconcile any BB model with the existence of voids, a conclusion I had pointed out in my Dec. 2003 Paper, "Two World Systems" and much earlier in my 1991 book.

    Observations did not help the "age crisis" either. Not only is there not enough time for the BB to create large scale structure by the present time, such structures actually existed many billions of year ago. A Japanese collaboration using the Subaru telescope saw voids as big as 50-100Mpc in radius at a red shifts of 6 (arXiv: astro-ph/0412648). According to BB theory, this would be at a time when the universe was only 800 million years old, making the formation of large scale structures an even worse problem than creating them in 14 billion years. In addition, the similarity of large scale structure at z=6 and at the present is strong confirmation of the idea, explained in the plasma cosmology model, that the universe is evolving on far slower times scales than that envisions in the Big Bang.

    Individual galaxies are also turning up that are "older than the Big Bang". Galaxy age can be determined from galactic spectra, since older stars are smaller, cooler and redder than younger ones. In addition older galaxies have more metals than younger ones. Studies released in May by two different groups of researchers, (arXiv:astro-ph/0405187; arXiv: astro-ph/0405432) showed that galaxies at z=2 and z=3 had metallicities comparable to or above that of our own galaxy at the present. In addition, the ages of the galaxies exceed the "age of the universe" at those redshifts, sometimes by a billion years or more. Again, the evidence showed that the universe at high-z looks remarkably like that of the present.

    Disappearing dark matter

    The BB theory relies on the existence of non-baryonic or dark matter to resolve blatant contractions with observation. Yet data has accumulated that the dark mater is not just invisible—it is non-existent. Last year this trend continued. A pair of Russian observers completed a survey of galaxies within 10 Mpc of the Milky Way using infrared radiation. (ArXiv: astro-ph/0412369) Since visible starlight is absorbed by dust and re-emitted as IR radiation, such radiation is a better measure of how much radiation is being emitted from stars. In turn this gives good indications of the mass of stars. By comparing this mass with the gravitating mass, it can be determined how much matter is still unaccounted for or "dark". The new study leaves little room for the dark matter.

    For galaxies, the ratio of mass to light was just 1.5 times that of the sun, indicating that all the mass could be accounted for by stars alone. For clusters of galaxies, the ratio was considerably higher—since such clusters have large amounts of gas in them. But the average ratio for the region within 10 Mpc of earth was about 20 times that of the sun. This indicates that W for all matter was 0.09, far less than the 0.27 of the concordance theory and not much more than the 0.05 the BB allows for ordinary baryonic matter.

    This result is broadly confirmed by another study of the velocities that galaxies move within the Local superclsuter—about 75km/sec. (arXiv: astro-ph/0412090). This low velocity implies a local W of only 0.025.

    The situation is actually considerably worse for the BB , since much earlier research shows that the density of matter declines with increasing scale, at least up to scales of 50 Mpc, making total W for matter on these scales far less than BB predictions for baryonic matter alone.

    Light elements problems worsen

    While BB nucleosyntheis predictions have been contradicted by observation for some time, new data in the past year has made this contradiction worse. For one thing, measurements of deuterium in intergalactic clouds with low metallicities, presumably close to pre-galactic abundances, keep coming up with different results, a scatter not at all predicted by the BB. In addition, the latest measurement (arXiv: astro-ph/0403512) shows an abundance of only 1.6x10 -5 , which disagrees at a 99.5% statistical level with the BB prediction of 2.6x10 -5 .

    For He3 things are no better. Theoretical calculations have long indicated that He3 is produced in stars on net, so He3 should be more abundant today than before the galaxy formed. But current measurements are almost the same as BB predictions for "primordial" He3. Contorted fudging attempts to explain the discrepancy as the result of ‘extra mixing’ of material in stars which conveniently destroys the extra He3. But a recent analysis of data from planetary nebulae (arXiv:astro-ph/0412380) shows that stars do indeed emit He3-enriched gas to the environment, implying little or none was created before the galaxy formed.

    Repression comes out into the open

    With data pelting them from all sides; the leaders of the BB community are resorting to repression of competing ideas, as they have in the past. But now the repression is coming more out into the open, and more openly discussed. For example a paper by C. S. Kochanek of Ohio State University refers to the "Party’s" value of the Hubble constant, and goes on to say "the Party says the value of H is known and should not be challenged unless you want to count trees in Siberia". (arXiv:astro-ph/0412089) Certainly when researchers write in this way, the fact that dissent is punished has become a very open secret.

    Nor do the keepers of the government’s funds disguise their own complicity in this enforced orthodoxy. I recently made the experiment of applying for some funds from NSF to study the above-mentioned size-z relationship. In rejecting my proposal, Nigel Sharp, program manager for Astrophysics wrote that I was not alone:

    "Let me also point out that you are not the only proposer we have with unconventional ideas. Some of them have no qualms about submitting to the full review process, with a full 15-page proposal with enough space to make their case. I can then do the external review in the normal way and I have more leeway to consider possible prejudices. So far, none of the cosmology proposals treated in this way has been funded, and of course I will argue that was because of serious flaws in their work unrelated to the unconventional aspects. On the other hand, we have funded one or two maverick ideas in other areas of astronomy. We're never going to support a lot of heterodoxy because then we get accused of wasting government money, but it's not true that we support none."

    So although maverick ideas are allowed in some parts of astronomy they will "never" be allowed in cosmology.

    On the bright side, the Open Letter on Cosmology, which now has over 200 signatories, has been read seemingly by nearly everyone in the cosmology community. From all reports it is stirring a good deal of healthy debate. No longer can those who seek to protect the orthodox cosmology of the Big Bang with control over funding and threats to scientists’ careers hope to operate in the dark

    As more data streams in, and as more researchers dare to express doubts that the BB is valid, we can expect more progress in 2005.

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  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    Something mroe to read:

    Eric Lerner starts his book "The Big Bang Never Happened" (hereafter BBNH) with the "errors" that he thinks invalidate the Big Bang. These are

    1. The existence of superclusters of galaxies and structures like the "Great Wall" which would take too long to form from the "perfectly homogeneous" Big Bang.
    2. The need for dark matter and observations showing no dark matter.
    3. The FIRAS CMB spectrum is a "too perfect" blackbody.

    Are these criticisms correct? No, and they were known to be incorrect in 1991 when Lerner wrote his book.

    Let us look at the superclusters first.

    Lerner gives the example of filaments or sheets 150 million light years apart in Figure 1.1, and then asserts that material would have to travel 270 million light years to make the structure. Obviously 75 million light years would do the trick. With material traveling at 1000 km/sec, that would take 22.5 billion years, which is about twice as long as the probable age of the Universe. But when the Universe was younger, everything was closer together, so a small motion made early in the history of the Universe counts for much more than a motion made later. Thus it was easier for the material to clump together early in the history of the Universe. Lerner's math here is like ignoring interest when planning for retirement. If you save $1000 per year for 50 years, you don't retire with $50,000. If the interest rate was 7 percent throughout the 50 years, you will have a $460,000 nest egg.

    Furthermore, velocities relative to the Hubble flow naturally decrease with time, so the 1000 km/sec velocity was larger in the past. Lerner's discussion of this point uses loaded words and incorrect logic. He quotes unnamed cosmologists as "speculating" that matter moved faster in the past, and calls this an "unknown" process. In fact, it is just Newton's First Law. Consider an object moving at 1000 km/sec relative to the Hubble flow at our location. For H o = 65 km/sec/Mpc this object will have moved 1.54 Mpc in 1.5 Gyr, the time it takes for the Universe to grow by 10% for this value of H o . Its velocity will still be 1000 km/sec, but the Hubble flow at a distance of 1.54 Mpc is 1.54*65 = 100 km/sec, so the object's velocity relative to the Hubble flow is now only 900 km/sec. It went down by 10% while the Universe grew by 10%.

    For example, the neutrinos in the hot dark matter model are just coasting, or "free streaming". If a free streaming neutrino has 1000 km/sec velocity now, then since recombination it has traveled from a point that is now 2.8 billion light years away. If instead of free streaming the material has been accelerated by gravitational forces, then the relation between velocity relative to the Hubble flow and the distance to the starting point (measured now), is

    v = H*D*Omega 0.6

    Using Lerner's value of 1000 km/sec, and a distance of 75 million light years, and H o = 50 km/sec/Mpc, we find perfect agreement as long as Omega is close to 1. So Lerner's "structures that take too long to grow" are just more evidence for a large amount of dark matter.

    In fact, Jim Peebles at Princeton had calculated just how much inhomogeneity in the early Universe would have been needed to grow into the large scale structures we see today. The anisotropy can be used to measure the inhomogeneity. This calculation was published in 1982 (ApJ Lett, 263, L1) and showed that an anisotropy of the temperature of the microwave background with an RMS quadrupole amplitude of 6 microKelvin would have been produced by the inhomogeneity necessary to produce the clustering of galaxies, if the Hubble constant was H o = 100 km/sec/Mpc. For H o = 50, the RMS quadrupole would be 12 microK. The actual limit at the time was 600 microK, so there wasn't any problem producing the large scale structure. Later results reduced the limit on the RMS quadrupole to 200 microK by the time Lerner published his book. Thus when Lerner wrote the BBNH, models could reproduce the observed large scale structure with initial conditions that were twenty times more uniform than the observed limit on homogeneity.

    In 1991 the limit was reduced to 22 microK by the FIRS balloon experiment and then COBE discovered the anisotropy with a level of 17+/- 5 microK and the current best value is 18.4+/-1.6 microK.

    So where was the "crisis"? The "crisis" only arises if there is no dark matter. Without dark matter you need 10 times larger initial perturbations and thus a 10 times larger RMS quadrupole, which was finally ruled out in 1991 after Lerner wrote his book.

    Lerner quotes George Field saying there was a crisis, but doesn't give a citation in the book. I remember many newspaper articles saying there was a crisis, but those of us building the COBE satellite knew that nobody had made observations with enough sensitivity to test the models calculated by Peebles, and just hoped that COBE would work well enough to do the job.

    By 1992, the model Peebles used had been named "Cold Dark Matter" and people were saying it was "dead" (see "The End of Cold Dark Matter?" by Davis et al., 1992, Nature, 356, 489). But this was from trying to get the details just right: you could make the superclusters and then you had too many cluster of galaxies, or you could make the clusters with a smaller RMS quadrupole and then made too few superclusters. The COBE measurement matched the value needed to make the superclusters. Thus the problem with CDM is that it makes too much structure, not too little. There are several ways to modify CDM to make it work:

    • Have H o low: 42 would probably be OK.
    • Have a density less than critical.
    • Have a neutrino species with a mass of 5 eV or so.
    • Have a cosmological constant .

    and I don't know which (if any) if these are correct. Lerner refers to these options as "epicycles" but some of them are just taking the observations at face value: most measurement of the density are 2 to 3 times less than the critical density . Non-zero neutrino masses have been measured. Observations of distant supernovae suggest that the cosmological constant is non-zero.

    Ironically, while Lerner uses this false argument against the Big Bang to advocate an infinitely old Universe, young Earth creationists use the same argument to bolster their belief that the Universe is only several thousand years old.

    Is there dark matter?

    There is certainly lots of evidence for dark matter. When one looks at cluster of galaxies, the gravitational effects of the cluster can be measured three ways. One is by the orbital motions of the galaxies in the cluster. This was first done by Zwicky in 1933 (Helv. Phys. Acta, 6, 110)! A second looks at the hot gas trapped in many big clusters of galaxies . The third way looks at the bending of light from galaxies behind the cluster by the mass in the cluster (gravitational lensing) . All three methods give masses that appear to be very much larger than the mass of the stars in the galaxies in the cluster. This is usually given as the mass-to-light ratio, and M/L is several hundred solar units for clusters of galaxies and only about 3 for the stars in the Milky Way near the Sun.

    The paper that Lerner cites as evidence for a lack of dark matter, Valtonen and Byrd (1986, ApJ, 303, 523), claims that the Coma cluster of galaxies and the other great clusters of galaxies are not bound objects. However, the observed velocities within the cluster would cause them to disperse in much less than the age of the Universe, so this claim is quite strange. Furthermore, the X-ray and gravitational lensing evidence now available show that Valtonen and Byrd were incorrect.

    The only way to satisfy these observations without a lot of dark matter is to hypothesize that the force of gravity is much stronger at large distances than Newton (or Einstein) would predict. This model is called MOND, for Modification Of Newtonian Dynamics, and it has some adherents. But no good relativistic version of MOND exists, and the existence of gravitational lensing in cluster of galaxies requires a relativistic theory that makes the same change for light and for slow moving objects like galaxies. Furthermore, if the MACHO results hold up, then the MOND model will fail for the halo of the Milky Way. If we then need dark matter to explain the Milky Way halo, it is most reasonable to use the same explanation in distant clusters of galaxies.

    More about dark matter.

    Is the CMB spectrum "too perfect"?

    Lerner claims that the CMB spectrum presented by Mather in 1990 was "too perfect", and that it made it impossible for large scale structure to be formed. However, the perfect fit to the blackbody only ruled out explosive structure formation scenarios like the Ostriker and Cowie model (1981, ApJL, 243, L127). The limits on distortion of the CMB spectrum away from a blackbody are now about 100 times better, and these tighter limits are easily met by models which form large scale structure by gravitational perturbations acting on dark matter. Models which act via electromagnetic interactions, like the explosive structure formation scenario or the plasma Universe have a much harder time meeting the constraints imposed by the FIRAS observations of the CMB spectrum.

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    What alternative does Lerner give for the Big Bang? Since the Big Bang is based on

    1. the redshift of galaxies
    2. the blackbody microwave background
    3. the abundance of the light elements

    Lerner should give alternative explanations for these three observed phenomena. What are his alternatives?

    Lerner's model for the redshift

    In the BBNH, Lerner presents the Alfven-Klein model which explains the redshift using a portion of the Universe that starts to collapse, then the collapse is reversed. This model requires new physics to generate the force necessary reverse the collapse Figure 6.2 of BBNH shows the collapse, reversal, and later expansion of a region of space. The figure below shows space-time diagrams based on this idea. In a space-time diagram, time is plotted going upward, with the bottom being the distant past. The black lines show the paths of different clumps of matter (galaxies) as function of time. These are called "world-lines". The red lines show the position of light rays that reach us now at the top center of the diagrams. These are called "light cones". Lerner says that only a small region of space collapsed: only a few hundred million light-years across. This is shown on the left. But if this were the case, then the distant galaxy at G would have a recession velocity smaller than the recession velocity of the nearby galaxy A. This is not what we observe. Thus a much larger region must have collapsed. This is shown on the right. Now G has a larger recession velocity than A which matches the observations. Space-Time
Diagrams

    What causes the reversal from collapse to re-expansion? Lerner claims that it is the pressure caused by the annihilation of matter and antimatter during the collapse. The green ellipse shows this high pressure region. But only pressure differences cause forces. A pressure gradient is needed to generate an acceleration. In the case of a large region of collapse, which is needed to match the observations, a larger acceleration requires a larger pressure gradient, and this gradient exists over a larger distance, leading to a greatly increased pressure.

    But in relativity pressure has "weight" and causes stronger gravitational attraction. This can be seen using work W = PdV, so the pressure is similar to an energy density. Then through E = mc 2 , this energy density is similar to a mass density. If the collapsing region is big enough to match the observations, then the pressure must be so large that a black hole forms and the region does not re-expand. Peebles discusses this problem with the plasma cosmology in his book "Principles of Physical Cosmology".

    Remarkably, Lerner now disowns the the Alfven-Klein model which plays such a big part in the BBNH, and wants me to give the proper attribution! He points out that he listed problems with the Alfven-Klein model in the Appendix of BBNH, but these were rather minor problems compared to the fact that it just won't work! If the Alfven-Klein model doesn't work, Lerner's fall back is tired light , which is another total failure.

    Lerner's model for the microwave background

    Lerner's model for the CMB claims that the intergalactic medium is a strong absorber of radio waves. His evidence for this is presented in Figure 6.19 of BBNH, which allegedly shows a decrease in the radio to infrared luminosity ratio as function of distance. This absorption is supposed to occur in narrow filaments, with tiny holes scattered about randomly so that distant compact radio sources like QSOs can be seen through the holes.

    The best evidence against this model in also in BBNH, in Figure 6.17. This is a picture of Cygnus A , which is the brightest extragalactic radio source. It has a redshift z = 0.056 and is 700 million light years away, using H 0 = 75 as in Lerner's ApJ article, and looking at Figure 6.19 of BBNH, we see that it should be more than 99% absorbed. So more than 99% of the area should be blacked out by absorbing filaments in Figure 6.17, but none can be seen. Cygnus A could be plotted on Figure 6.19, but it would be off scale in the upper right corner, completely orthogonal to Lerner's claimed trend.

    Lerner has denied the existence of extended high redshift radio sources, which is pretty silly since Cygnus A obviously counts as one. A three times more distant extended radio source is in Abell 2218, with a size of 120" and a redshift of z = 0.174. Clearly this is beyond Lerner's metagalaxy but there is no big hole in the CMB there. The field has been studied extensively for the Sunyaev-Zeldovich effect and the deficit is less than a milliKelvin.

    The 3CRR Atlas has images of many distant radio sources with large angular size. The largest angular size for those sources with z > 0.4 is 3C457 which has an angular size of 205" and a redshift of z = 0.428. 7 out of the 10 sources with 0.4 < z < 0.5 in this list have sizes greater than 30". A single 30" hole in the absorbing curtain would have appeared as a -2 mK anisotropy in the Saskatoon data and nothing like this was seen.

    Thus radio sources with large angular size are seen to great distances and Lerner's local absorbing curtain does not exist.

    A second objection to Lerner's local absorbing curtain is that its density falls inversely with distance from the local density peak, which Lerner takes to be the Virgo supercluster. But if the density of the absorbers peaks at the Virgo, then there will be much more absorption in that direction than in the opposite direction. This would make the distribution of radio sources on the sky very anisotropic. But the radio sources are evenly distributed to within a few percent, so Lerner's local absorbing curtain does not exist.

    A third objection to Lerner's local absorbing curtain is that by making distant radio sources fainter, it would change the number vs flux law for radio sources in a way that is not observed. Normally the flux of a source falls off like an inverse square law: F = A/D 2 , where A is a constant that depends on the luminosity of the source. If you count all the sources brighter than a minimum flux F min , then you are looking out to maximum distance D max = sqrt(A/F min ). The number of sources varies like D 3 , or N = N 1 (F min /F 1 ) -1.5 . Lerner changes the flux distance relation to F = A/D 2.4 with his added radio absorption, and this would change the number count law to N = N 1 (F min /F 1 ) -1.25 . If in addition the density of radio sources peaked near the Earth the way that Lerner assumes other densities do, then the number count law becomes N = N 1 (F min /F 1 ) -0.83 . The actual data show N = N 1 (F min /F 1 ) -1.8 which is not compatible with Lerner's model. Thus Lerner's local absorbing curtain does not exist.

    Lerner's fit to the FIRAS spectrum

    Assuming the existence of his absorbing curtain, even though extended distant radio sources show that it does not exist, Lerner (1995, Ap&SS, 227, 61) presents a fit to the FIRAS spectrum of the cosmic microwave background. After discussing how there is a slight variation in "absorbency" (not defined, units unknown) with frequency, Lerner's final fitting function in his Equation (38) assumes an opacity that is independent of frequency. This function has seven apparent parameters in addition to the 2 parameters of temperature and galactic normalization that are needed for any FIRAS fit. Lerner then bins the FIRAS data in Mather et al. (1994) from 34 points down to 10 binned points, and finds that his 9 parameter model gives a good fit to 10 data points. This sounds stupid, but that is mainly due to the paper being poorly written and edited. Lerner's fitting function actually only has two free parameters: a Kompaneets "y" distortion times an emissivity that is slightly different from unity. And the resulting 4 parameter fit to the 34 data points in Mather et al. (1994) is pretty good. The Figure below shows the deviation from a blackbody for Lerner's model, and the open circles are the Mather et al. (1994) data. FIRAS residual vs frequency

    Unfortunately for Lerner, the improved calibration and use of the full FIRAS dataset in Fixsen et al. (1996) give the black data points in the Figure. Lerner's model is a bad fit to this data. The curve shown, which is the best fit to the Mather et al. (1994) data, is six standard deviations away from the Fixsen et al. (1996) data. Readjusting the emissivity and "y" parameter to best fit the Fixsen et al. (1996) data gives a change in chi 2 of only 0.7 for two new degrees of freedom, which is worse than the average performance of random models.

    Lerner's model for the light elements

    Lerner wants to make helium in stars. This presents a problem because the stars that actually release helium back into the interstellar medium make a lot of heavier elements too. Observations of galaxies with different helium abundances show that for every 3.2 grams of helium produced, stars produce 1 gram of heavier elements (French, 1980, ApJ, 240, 41). Thus it is not even possible to make the 28% helium fraction in the Sun without making four times more than the observed 2% heavier elements fraction, and making the 23% helium with only 0.01% of heavier elements seen in old stars in the Milky Way halo is completely out of the question.

    But a further problem is that stars make no lithium and no deuterium. Lerner proposes that these elements are made by spallation in cosmic rays. But the cosmic rays have 80 deuterium nuclei for every lithium nucleus (Meyer, 1969, ARAA, 7, 1) while the Universe has about 6 million deuterium nuclei for every lithium nucleus. So if the lithium is entirely due to spallation in cosmic rays, the Universe is still missing 99.99% of the observed deuterium. Lerner's arithmetic once again fails by a large margin.

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    Miscellaneous Inconsistencies

    • Lerner claims that the neutrinos from SN 1987A in the LMC rule out an interesting neutrino mass, but the light water detectors used can essentially only detect electron antineutrinos, so the mu and tau neutrinos can have plenty of mass. And Lerner's math is wrong (again): A neutrino with an interesting mass of 5 eV and an energy of 10 MeV travels at a speed that is
      v = (1 - 0.5*(m/E) 2 +...)*c = 0.999999999999875*c 
      and after traveling for 160,000 years lags by less than 1 second. The observed burst was 6-10 seconds long, so even the electron neutrino could have enough mass to be the hot component in a mixed dark matter model.
    • Lerner shows cross-sections of plasma simulations that look like a spiral galaxy (Figure 1.13 and Figure 6.7). But these are sections of twisting columns as shown in Figure 6.8f, and look nothing like a spiral galaxy in 3 dimensions.
    • The Sun is very massive, and we know the acceleration of the Sun as it goes around the Milky Way. Therefore we can compute the force needed to keep it in orbit and compare this to the electromagnetic forces. Thus it was easy for Ted Bunn to show that electromagnetic forces are 100 million billion times too small to affect the orbit of the Sun in the Milky Way.
    • Lerner says about Peebles' calculation of the helium abundance that "as the number of photons per nucleus increases, so does the production of helium." This is just backwards. And the difference between the 30 K predicted by Peebles and the 2.73 K observed now is primarily due to the assumption that the Universe had the critical density in ordinary matter. So this discrepancy is not a failure of the Big Bang, but rather more evidence for non-baryonic dark matter. And of course Peebles did not build the radiometer: Roll and Wilkinson did that.
  • Rod P
    Rod P

    Danny,

    Your last article rebutting Eric Lerner was by Edward L. (Ned) Wright, Professor at UCLA.

    Here is Lerner's response to Professor Wright:

    Dr. Wright is Wrong-- a reply to Ned Wright's "Errors in The Big Bang Never Happened"

    A number of people have asked me to reply to Ned Wright's critique of the BBN. Observation since the last edition of the book was published in 1992 have only served to make the arguments in it stronger and to further contradict Wright's assertions.

    Large Scale Structures

    Wright claims that large scale structures in the universe can be created in the time since the Big Bang given the existence of dark (non-baryonic) matter in the right amounts. There are two errors here. Even calculations by advocates of the Big Bang show that the structures we observe would take about 5 times as long as the Hubble time(the hypothetical time since the Big Bang) to form, even with dark matter. And, second, there is no evidence that dark matter exists.

    Galaxies are organized into filaments and walls that surround large voids that are apparently nearly devoid of all matter. These voids typically have diameters around 140-170Mpc(taking H=70km/sec/Mpc) and occur with some regularity[E. Saar, et al, The supercluster-void network V: The regularity periodogram", Astr. And Astrophys., vol. 393, pp1-23 (2002)]. These are merely the largest structures commonly observed in present-day surveys of galaxies. Still larger structures exist, but are few in number for the simple reason that they are comparable in size with the scope of the surveys themselves.

    Since the observed voids have galactic densities that are 10% or less of the average for the entire observed volume, nearly all the matter would have to be moved out of the voids[F. Hoyle and M.S. Vogeley, "Voids in the Point Source Catalog Survey and the Updated Zwicky Catalog", Astrophys. J., vol 566, pp.641-651, Feb. 20, 2002].

    Measurements of the large scale bulk streaming velocities of galaxies indicate average velocities around 200-250km/sec[L.N. Da Costa et al, "Redshift-Distance survey of Early-type galaxies: dipole of the velocity field' Astrophys. J., vol 537, ppL81-L84, July 10, 2000], a factor for 5 less than the 1,000 km/sec I conservatively used in my book.

    To answer Dr. Wright's objections, let's look at results of large scale structure formation obtained by his colleagues who support the Big Bang, and whose calculations assume that the Big Bang happened.

    To give the maximum leeway to the BB theory, we look at work that assumes some explosive mechanism created the voids, which would be much faster than if they were formed by gravitational attraction. For a cold dark matter Big Bang model, the time T in years, of formation of a void R cm in diameter in matter with density n/cm 3 and final, present-day, velocity V cm/s is[ J.J. Levin et al, Astrophys J. vol 389, p464]:

    T=1.03n -1/4 V -1/2 R 1/2

    For V=220Km/sec, R=85 Mpc and n =2.4x10 -7 /cm 3 (assuming the ratio of baryons to photons, h= 6.14x 10 -10 ), T= 158Gy. This is 11.6 times as long as the Hubble time. Even if we increase n to reflect current assumptions about dark matter being some 6 times as abundant as ordinary matter, we still get 100 Gy, or 7.4 times the Hubble time. This is actually a bit worse than the figure we arrive at by just diving the distance moved by the current velocity, which ends up as 6.3 time the Hubble time.

    Detailed computer simulations, which also include the hypothesized "cosmological constant" run into the same contradictions, in that they produce voids that are far too small. Simulations with a variety of assumptions can produce voids as large typically as about 35 Mpc[S. Arbabi-Bidgoli, and V. Muller, arXiv:astrop-ph/0111581 Nov. 30, 2001], a factor of 5 smaller than those actually observed on the largest scales. In addition, such simulated voids have bulk flow velocities that are typically 10% of the Hubble flow velocities[J. D. Schmidt, B.S. Ryden and A.L. Melott, Astrophys. J., vol. 546, pp609-619] which mean that voids larger than 60Mpc, even if they could be produced in Big Bang simulations, would generate final velocities in excess of those observed, and voids as large as 170 Mpc would generate velocities of over 600km/s, nearly 3 times the observed velocities.

    Thus even with dark mater AND a cosmological constant, it is impossible for the Big Bang theory to produce voids as large as those observed today with galactic velocities as small as those today. As was true in 1991, the large-scale structures are too big for the Big Bang. They in fact must be far older than the "Big Bang".

    The existence of "dark matter"

    Dark matter, or "non-baryonic" matter is a hypothetical form of matter different from any observed on Earth but which is nonetheless required by the Big Bang. Current versions of the (ever-changing) theory require that total gravitating matter density be equal to 0.3 of the critical density but that of ordinary, baryon matter be only 0.05 of the critical density. This means that 0.25 of the critical density has to be in the form of some undiscovered, non-baryonic matter, generally described as Wimps, weakly interacting massive particles.

    This "cold dark matter" or CDM, was hypothesized as essential for the Big Bang theory back in 1980--23 years ago. Since then physicists have searched diligently with dozens of experiments for any evidence of the existence of these dark matter particle here on Earth. Oddly enough every one of the experiments has had negative results. In fields of research other than cosmology this would have long ago led to the conclusion that CDM does not exist. But Big Bang cosmology does not taken "NO" for an answer. So the failure to find the CDM after so many experiments does not in any way shake the faith of Big Bangers in such CDM. This is evidence that what we are dealing with here is a religious faith, not a scientific theory that can be refuted by experiment or observation.

    The idea that neutrinos might form a bath of Hot Dark Matter has also been undermined by experiments that indicate that while neutrons do probably have some mass, it is of the order of 0.1 eV (energy equivalent), which means that total neutrino mass in the universe is likely to be around one tenth of the mass of ordinary matter.

    Wright argues that the existence of dark matter if proved by the difference between the total gravitating mass inferred for galaxies and cluster of galaxies and the mass in observable stars. But this is an absurd non-sequitor. Observations have demonstrated that stars constitute only a small fraction of the total mass of ordinary matter that can be observed. In clusters of galaxies we can observe by X-ray emissions huge clouds of hot plasma, which have masses far greater than that of bright stars.

    There is extensive observational evidence for ordinary matter in two other forms that are relatively dim, One is white dwarfs in the halos of spiral galaxies. Recent observations of high proper motion stars have shown that halo white dwarfs constitute a mass of about 10 11 solar masses, comparable to about half the total estimated mass of the Galaxy [R.A. Mendez and D. Minnitti ,Astrophys. J., vol. 529, p.911; B.R. Oppenheimer et al Science, 292, p. 698]. While these observations have been sharply criticized, they have been confirmed by new observations [R. A. Mendez ,arXiv:astrop-ph/0207569].

    Observations of ultraviolet and soft x-ray absorption has revealed the existence of "warm plasma' with a temperature of only about 0.2keV, which amounts to a mass comparable to that of the entire Local group of galaxies.(Nature 421, 719). If we adds up the warm plasma, which is sufficiently dim to be observable only as it absorbs radiation from more dint objects, the hot plasma, and the white dwarfs, we have enough matter to equal that which is inferred by the gravitational mass of cluster of galaxies. So there is no need for non-baryonic matter and there is no room for it either.

    Conclusion: the evidence against the existence of non-baryonic"dark" matter is stronger than ever. Ordinary matter is only the only type of matter that exists.

    A few points on Wright's misunderstanding of the plasma theory of the CBR

    Wright argues that extended radio sources contradict the absorption of radio waves by filaments in the intergalactic medium. He points to Cygnus A and says that no absorbing filaments can be seen. This indicate Wright has not read the relevant papers, which make it clear that the absorbing filamtsn are quite small by astronomical standards. Except for an initial 1987 paper, where the idea was worked out only in rough way, my elaboration of the hypothesis of absorbing magnetic filaments have made clear that the filaments in general are too small to be observed directly. From the formulae in IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science, Vol.20, pp. 935-938, for example, it can be calculated that filaments that absorb 21 cm radio waves will be no more than 7,000 km in diameter, far too small to be resolved. Wright's arguing that the inability to resolve the filaments shows their nonexistence is similar to arguing that the inability to resolve individual dust particles in a dust storm contradict the idea that dust absorbs light from the sun.

    Wright completely ignores the strong observational evidence that radio emission from galaxies does indeed drop off sharply with distance, relative to emission at IR wavelengths [E.J. Lerner, Astrophysics and Space Science, Vol 207, p.17-26], which are too short to be absorbed by the filaments. He offers no alternative explanation for these observations. This is characteristic of BB theorists, who simply ingrown inconvenient observations.

    Wright's second objection, that a fractal inhomogenous collection of absorbers would lead to a non-isotropic distortion of radio sources is simply mathematically wrong. Fractal distributions are inhomogeneous in three-space, but their projection on to 2-space, the sky, tend to be isotropic.

    However, we would expect some fairly small variations in the CBR because of the inhomogenous IGM--where there is more density of matter, we would expect a slightly brighter CBR. This would only be slight, because scattering and the contribution of the IGM along the same line of sight but at different distance would greatly reduce anisotropies, as described in [E. J. Lerner, Astrophysics and Space Science, Vol.227. p.61-81]

    This is what is found. There is indeed a slight correlation between galaxy density and CBR intensity, as expected. What is particularly interesting is that this correlation extends over all angular scales, as would be expected from the plasma viewpoint. But in the BB hypothesis, which assumes the CBR originated BEHIND all clusters of galaxies and other very dense concentrations of matter, interactions with electrons will decrease the CBR luminosity. So there should be an anti-correlation of galaxies and CBR on small angular scales. Just the opposite is observed[Scranton et al, arXiv:astrop-ph/0307335]. The correlation continues to be positive even on small angular scales--as expected in the plasma hypothesis.

    In addition, The WMAP results contradict the Big Bang theory and support the plasma cosmology theory in another extremely important respect. Tegmark et al [arXiv:astro-ph/0302496] have shown that the quadruple and octopole component of the CBR are not random, but have a strong preferred orientation in the sky. The quadruple and octopole power is concentrated on a ring around the sky and are essentially zero along a preferred axis. The direction of this axis is identical with the direction toward the Virgo cluster and lies exactly along the axis of the Local Supercluster filament of which our Galaxy is a part.

    This observation completely contradicts the Big Bang assumption that the CBR originated far from the local Supercluster and is, on the largest scale, isotropic without a preferred direction in space. Big Bang theorists have implausibly labeled the coincidence of the preferred CBR direction and the direction to Virgo to be mere accident and have scrambled to produce new ad-hoc assumptions, including that the universe is finite only in one spatial direction, an assumption that entirely contradicts the assumptions of the inflationary model of the Big Bang, the only model generally accepted by Big Bang supporters.

    However, the plasma explanation is far simpler. If the density of the absorbing filaments follows the overall density of matter, as assumed by this theory, then the degree of absorption should be higher locally in the direction along the axis of the (roughly cylindrical) Local Supercluster and lower at right angles to this axis, where less high-density matter is encountered. This in turn means that concentrations of the filaments outside the Local Supercluster, which slightly enhances CBR power, will be more obscured in the direction along the supercluster axis and less obscured at right angle to this axis, as observed. More work will be needed to estimate the magnitude of this effect, but it is in qualitative agreement with the new observations.

    Wright's third objection illustrates the essential sloppiness of Big Bang thinking. He claims that statistics of flux vs number counts contradict the absorption hysptheises. In fact they confirm it. Contrary to Wright's claims that N~ F -1.8 , where N is the number of sources brighter than F, the actual distribution is quite different. Wright's formula is roughly true ONLY for the very brightest sources, those stronger than about 200mJy. For sources dimmer than that, the relationship is very close to N~F-0.82, almost exactly the relationship Wright himself says is predicted by the plasma hypothesis [Windhorst, R., ApJ 405, 498]. Wright either is ignorant of this well-known fact, or deliberately ignores it.

    There is no real mystery as to why the brighter sources follow a different relationship. As Sylos Labini et al{Physica A 226,195] demonstrate, for very bright sources, the number-flux relationship is distorted by finite size effects. Put simply, very bright sources or either very close or, if distant and intrinsically bright, very rare. For small volumes there will be too few of these very bright objects--for small enough volumes there will be none of them. As the volume increases to the size at which a fair sample of very bright objects occurs, the apparent density increases. This creates a purely apparent, statistical tendency for a more rapid growth in the number of objects with decreasing flux. The true relationship is only revealed with the more numerous dimmer objects.

    A very similar change in the number flux slope occurs in the counts of optical sources, basically galaxies, with one important different. For bright galaxies, the relationship has an exponent of -1.5, but for dim galaxies, the exponent changes to -1.0. That exponent is just what one would expect for a fractal distribution of dimension D=2 with NO absorption. The fact that the radio sources have an exponent of -0.82, not -1.0, implies an absorption almost identical to that hypothesized in the plasma theory of the CBR. Without absorption, one would have to explain why more distant radio sources become systematically dimmer and less numerous compared with optical course--even at distances of tens of Mpc, far too small to be affected by evolutionary effects.

    A Brief Note on the Hubble relationship

    Wright says that my book endorses Alfven's explanation of the Hubble relationship. But again, that implies that Wright did not even read the book he criticizes. In the book, I present Alfven's, AND several other explanations of the Hubble relationship in the Appendix to the book (which was in both editions), as well as in Chapter 6. I concluded that "the question of the Hubble relationship remains unanswered" (p.279) and that none of the possible explanations were without problems, a conclusion that still stands. However, the one explanation that can be ruled out, because of its many contradictions with observation, is the Big Bang. We are not stuck with the Big Bang by default.

    Light element production

    In considering the arguments against the BB, Wright entirely ignores the contradictions between observations and BB predictions of light element abundances, pointed out in the preface to my book. These contradictions have only gotten sharper since the book was written (See my new review, Two World Systems--link to that document here).

    Big Bang Nucleosynthesis (BBN) predicts the abundance of four light isotopes( 4 He, 3 He, D and 7 Li) given only the density of baryons in the universe. These predictions are central to the theory, since they flow from the hypothesis that the universe went through a period of high temperature and density--the Big Bang. In practice, the baryon density has been treated as a free variable, adjusted to match the observed abundances. Since four abundances must be matched with only a single free variable, the light element abundances are a clear-cut test of the theory. In 1992, there was no value for the baryon density that could give an acceptable agreement with observed abundances, and this situation has only worsened in the ensuing decade. The current observations of just three of the four predicted BBN light elements preclude BBN at a level of at least 7 s . In other words, the odds against BBN being a correct theory are about 100 billion to one

    Wright's comments on the plasma theory of generating light elements in stars show, again, that he has not read the relevant papers that he is criticizing. He assumes that the distribution of stellar masses in the early formative periods of galactic history are the same as today, when supernovae produce considerable amounts of CNO compared to helium. However, the detailed models and calculations presented in my papers showed that the early galaxies were dominated by intermediate mass stars too small to create supernovae. These stars produce and blow off an outer layer of helium but very little or no CNO is released to the interstellar medium [E.J. Lerner, IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science, Vol. 17, , pp. 259-263].

    Similar errors occur in Wright's comments on production of lithium in cosmic rays. Since this occurs when protons in cosmic rays collide with CNO atoms, naturally the abundance of lithium is relatively high in current cosmic rays, give the interstellar medium contains a few percent CNO. But in very young, formative galaxies, where only one ten-thousandth of the current levels of CNO were yet produced, Li production was reduced by a comparable amount. Indeed we find that stars with heavy element abundance 10 -4 that of the sun, and a few thousand times less than the ISM, have D/Li ratios that are also a few thousand times less than the 80-to-1 ratio Wright quotes. Typically, he misquotes the ratio of D to Li observed in the oldest stars, which is about 150,000 to 1, not 6 million to 1. But to a true Big Bang believer like Dr. Wright, making an error of a factor of forty in regards to mere observations is no cause of concern. Observations, after all, do not affect faith.
  • Rod P
    Rod P

    My apologies to the readers who may find some of these articles perhaps too lengthy and technical.

    I have noticed that when shorter articles are presented primarily for "public consumption", that readers tend to respond with ready-made dismissals of catchy and sometimes apparently "loaded" statements and language by the contributors. The danger of these reactions is that when something is all too easily dismissed outright, it often leads to premature conclusions that the scientists who make these glib remarks are necessarily wrong.

    Therefore, I have found it necessary to provide longer and more in-depth articles by these same scientists, who are swimming against the tide of prevailing opinion of their fellow scientists. It is my hopes that in doing so, the readers here will give pause to consider or reconsider what they have to say. IMO, at a much deeper level, the "mavericks" presented here have some very challenging evidence that has been synthesized into a harmonious whole, and that is at least as reasonable an alternative model as anything presented by the Big Bang school for a plausible explanation of the Universe.

    At the same time, as we carry on with this discussion, I do feel there needs to be some succinct, non-technical articles included on this thread. This should allow us to stand back a little bit from all the technical details, and get a kind of thumb-nail sketch of an overall perspective of alternatives to the Big Bang.

    This will, perhaps, create a better perspective from which to grasp what these astronomers and astro-physicists are trying to tell us. At the same time, we are now in a better position to appreciate the other technical background they have contributed (in the articles above), from which the information can be distilled and presented into a simpler, non-technical version of the same thing.

    So to that end, here is one such article which is clearly written in non-technical language and which I am optimistic is realtively easy to for the readers grasp:

    An Open Letter to the Scientific Community
    cosmologystatement.org
    (Published in New Scientist, May 22, 2004)

    T he big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory. In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, raise serious questions about the validity of the underlying theory.

    But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation.

    Without some kind of dark matter, unlike any that we have observed on Earth despite 20 years of experiments, big-bang theory makes contradictory predictions for the density of matter in the universe. Inflation requires a density 20 times larger than that implied by big bang nucleosynthesis, the theory's explanation of the origin of the light elements. And without dark energy, the theory predicts that the universe is only about 8 billion years old, which is billions of years younger than the age of many stars in our galaxy.

    What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation. The successes claimed by the theory's supporters consist of its ability to retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centred cosmology of Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.

    Yet the big bang is not the only framework available for understanding the history of the universe. Plasma cosmology and the steady-state model both hypothesise an evolving universe without beginning or end. These and other alternative approaches can also explain the basic phenomena of the cosmos, including the abundances of light elements, the generation of large-scale structure, the cosmic background radiation, and how the redshift of far-away galaxies increases with distance. They have even predicted new phenomena that were subsequently observed, something the big bang has failed to do.

    Supporters of the big bang theory may retort that these theories do not explain every cosmological observation. But that is scarcely surprising, as their development has been severely hampered by a complete lack of funding. Indeed, such questions and alternatives cannot even now be freely discussed and examined. An open exchange of ideas is lacking in most mainstream conferences. Whereas Richard Feynman could say that "science is the culture of doubt", in cosmology today doubt and dissent are not tolerated, and young scientists learn to remain silent if they have something negative to say about the standard big bang model. Those who doubt the big bang fear that saying so will cost them their funding.

    Even observations are now interpreted through this biased filter, judged right or wrong depending on whether or not they support the big bang. So discordant data on red shifts, lithium and helium abundances, and galaxy distribution, among other topics, are ignored or ridiculed. This reflects a growing dogmatic mindset that is alien to the spirit of free scientific enquiry.
    Today, virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to big bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and all the peer-review committees that control them are dominated by supporters of the big bang. As a result, the dominance of the big bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory.

    Giving support only to projects within the big bang framework undermines a fundamental element of the scientific method -- the constant testing of theory against observation. Such a restriction makes unbiased discussion and research impossible. To redress this, we urge those agencies that fund work in cosmology to set aside a significant fraction of their funding for investigations into alternative theories and observational contradictions of the big bang. To avoid bias, the peer review committee that allocates such funds could be composed of astronomers and physicists from outside the field of cosmology.
    Allocating funding to investigations into the big bang's validity, and its alternatives, would allow the scientific process to determine our most accurate model of the history of the universe.

    Signed:
    (Institutions for identification only)

    Halton Arp, Max-Planck-Institute Fur Astrophysik (Germany)
    Andre Koch Torres Assis, State University of Campinas (Brazil)
    Yuri Baryshev, Astronomical Institute, St. Petersburg State University (Russia)
    Ari Brynjolfsson, Applied Radiation Industries (USA)
    Hermann Bondi, Churchill College, University of Cambridge (UK)
    Timothy Eastman, Plasmas International (USA)
    Chuck Gallo, Superconix, Inc.(USA)
    Thomas Gold, Cornell University (emeritus) (USA)
    Amitabha Ghosh, Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (India)
    Walter J. Heikkila, University of Texas at Dallas (USA)
    Michael Ibison, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (USA)
    Thomas Jarboe, University of Washington (USA)
    Jerry W. Jensen, ATK Propulsion (USA)
    Menas Kafatos, George Mason University (USA)
    Eric J. Lerner, Lawrenceville Plasma Physics (USA)
    Paul Marmet, Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics (retired) (Canada)
    Paola Marziani, Istituto Nazionale di Astrofisica, Osservatorio Astronomico di Padova (Italy)
    Gregory Meholic, The Aerospace Corporation (USA)
    Jacques Moret-Bailly, Université Dijon (retired) (France)
    Jayant Narlikar, IUCAA(emeritus) and College de France (India, France)
    Marcos Cesar Danhoni Neves, State University of Maringá (Brazil)
    Charles D. Orth, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (USA)
    R. David Pace, Lyon College (USA)
    Georges Paturel, Observatoire de Lyon (France)
    Jean-Claude Pecker, College de France (France)
    Anthony L. Peratt, Los Alamos National Laboratory (USA)
    Bill Peter, BAE Systems Advanced Technologies (USA)
    David Roscoe, Sheffield University (UK)
    Malabika Roy, George Mason University (USA)
    Sisir Roy, George Mason University (USA)
    Konrad Rudnicki, Jagiellonian University (Poland)
    Domingos S.L. Soares, Federal University of Minas Gerais (Brazil)
    John L. West, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology (USA)
    James F. Woodward, California State University, Fullerton (USA)

    From: http://www.cosmologystatement.org/

    Redshifts, Cosmology and New Scientist

    In the article “The world turned inside out” (NS 20 March, p.35) science writer Amanda Gefter states that: “Smolin is not suggesting that the big bang never happened: astronomical observations and Einstein’s general theory of relativity leave little doubt that it did”.

    Others, some of them world famous scientists, are not so certain.
    I have often wondered why New Scientists have been reticent in reporting on the fundamental disagreement in today’s cosmology, where the ‘main stream’ theories of the physics of Big Bang, only able to explain a few percent of the observable universe with its predictions, meets with increasing criticism from a growing number of renown scientists. People like Sir Fred Hoyle, Nobel laureate Hannes Alfvén, astronomer Halton Arp, physicist Geoffrey Burbridge, astronomer Margaret Burbridge and plasma physicist Tony Peratt, to mention but a few.
    I do hope that New Scientist will re-evaluate this practice, and allow the proponents of the Plasma Universe to present their view.

    Stein Jarving
    Tvedestrand, Norway

    Big Bang Never Happened

    In 1991, my book, the Big Bang Never Happened(Vintage), presented evidence that the Big Bang theory was contradicted by observations and that another approach, plasma cosmology, which hypothesized a universe without begin or end, far better explained what we know of the cosmos. The book set off a considerable debate. Since then, observations have only further confirmed these conclusions, although the Big Bang remains by far the most widely accepted theory of cosmology.

    This website provides an update on the evidence and the debate over the Big Bang, including the latest technical review and a reply to a widely- circulated criticism as well as a technical reading list, a report on a recent workshop and links to other relevant sites, including one that described my own work on fusion power, which is closely linked to my work in cosmology.

    What is the evidence against the Big Bang?

    Light Element Abundances predict contradictory densities
    The Big bang theory predicts the density of ordinary matter in the universe from the abundance of a few light elements. Yet the density predictions made on the basis of the abundance of deuterium, lithium-7 and helium-4 are in contradiction with each other, and these predictions have grown worse with each new observation. The chance that the theory is right is now less than one in one hundred trillion.

    Large-scale Voids are too old
    The Big bang theory predicts that no object in the universe can be older than the Big Bang. Yet the large-scale voids observed in the distortion of galaxies cannot have been formed in the time since the Big Bang, without resulting in velocities of present-day galaxies far in excess of those observed. Given the observed velocities, these voids must have taken at least 70 billion years to form, five times as long as the theorized time since the Big Bang.

    Angular diameters don't increase
    A third important prediction is that the angular diameters of galaxies will start to increase at high redshifts, rather than decrease as they do at low redshifts. Yet observations have shown that the angular diameters of high redshift galaxies approach a constant value with increasing redshift, and show no evidence for the predicted increase.

    Too many Hypothetical Entities--Dark Matter and Energy, Inflation
    The Big Bang theory requires THREE hypothetical entities--the inflation field, non-baryonic (dark) matter and the dark energy field to overcome gross contradictions of theory and observation. Yet no evidence has ever confirmed the existence of any of these three hypothetical entities. Indeed, there have been many lab experiments over the past 23 years that have searched for non-baryonic matter, all with negative results. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the Big Bang does not predict an isotropic (smooth) cosmic background radiation(CBR). Without non-baryonic matter, the predictions of the theory for the density of matter are in self-contradiction, inflation predicting a density 20 times larger than any predicted by light element abundances (which are in contradiction with each other). Without dark energy, the theory predicts an age of the universe younger than that of many stars in our galaxy.

    No room for dark matter
    While the Big bang theory requires that there is far more dark matter than ordinary matter, discoveries of white dwarfs(dead stars) in the halo of our galaxy and of warm plasma clouds in the local group of galaxies show that there is enough ordinary matter to account for the gravitational effects observed, so there is no room for extra dark matter.

    No Conservation of Energy
    The hypothetical dark energy field violates one of the best-tested laws of physics--the conservation of energy and matter, since the field produces energy at a titanic rate out of nothingness. To toss aside this basic conservation law in order to preserve the Big Bang theory is something that would never be acceptable in any other field of physics.

    Alignment of CBR with the Local Supercluster
    The largest angular scale components of the fluctuations(anisotropy) of the CBR are not random, but have a strong preferred orientation in the sky. The quadrupole and octopole power is concentrated on a ring around the sky and are essentially zero along a preferred axis. The direction of this axis is identical with the direction toward the Virgo cluster and lies exactly along the axis of the Local Supercluster filament of which our Galaxy is a part. This observation completely contradicts the Big Bang assumption that the CBR originated far from the local Supercluster and is, on the largest scale, isotropic without a preferred direction in space. (Big Bang theorists have implausibly labeled the coincidence of the preferred CBR direction and the direction to Virgo to be mere accident and have scrambled to produce new ad-hoc assumptions, including that the universe is finite only in one spatial direction, an assumption that entirely contradicts the assumptions of the inflationary model of the Big Bang, the only model generally accepted by Big Bang supporters.)

    Evidence for Plasma Cosmology

    Plasma theory correctly predicts light element abundances
    Plasma filamentation theory allows the prediction of the mass of condensed objects formed as a function of density. This leads to predictions of the formation of large numbers of intermediate mass stars during the formations of galaxies. These stars produce and emit to the environment the observed amounts of 4He, but very little C, N and O. In addition cosmic rays from these stars can produce by collisions with ambient H and He the observed amounts of D and 7Li.

    Plasma theory predicts from basic physics the large scale structure of the universe
    In the plasma model, superclusters, clusters and galaxies are formed from magnetically confined plasma vortex filaments. The plasma cosmology approach can easily accommodate large scale structures, and in fact firmly predicts from basic physical principles a fractal distribution of matter, with density being inversely proportional to the distance of separation of objects. This fractal scaling relationship has been borne out by many studies on all observable scales of the universe. Naturally, since the plasma approach hypothesizes no origin in time for the universe, the large amounts of time need to create large-scale structures present no problems for the theory.

    Plasma theory of the CBR predict absorption of radio waves, which is observed
    The plasma alternative views the energy for the CBR as provided by the radiation released by early generations of stars in the course of producing the observed 4He. The energy is thermalized and isotropized by a thicket of dense, magnetically confined plasma filaments that pervade the intergalactic medium. It has accurately matched the spectrum of the CBR using the best-quality data set from the COBE sattelite. Since this theory hypotheses filaments that efficiently scatter radiation longer than about 100 microns, it predicts that radiation longer than this from distant sources will be absorbed, or to be more precise scattered, and thus will decrease more rapidly with distance than radiation shorter than 100 microns. Such an absorption has been demonstrated by comparing radio and far-infrared radiation from galaxies at various distances--the more distant, the greater the absorption effect. New observations have shown the exact same absorption at a wavelength of 850 microns, just as predicted by plasma theory.

    The alignment of the CBR anisotropy and the local Supercluster confirms the plasma theory of CBR
    If the density of the absorbing filaments follows the overall density of matter, as assumed by this theory, then the degree of absorption should be higher locally in the direction along the axis of the (roughly cylindrical) Local Supercluster and lower at right angles to this axis, where less high-density matter is encountered. This in turn means that concentrations of the filaments outside the Local Supercluster, which slightly enhances CBR power, will be more obscured in the direction along the supercluster axis and less obscured at right angle to this axis, as observed.

    From: http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/

    Eric J. Lerner
    President, Lawrenceville Plasma Physics,Inc. advanced technology research, consulting and communications firm.
    -- Scientific research in plasma physics and desalination. Developing advanced approach to economical fusion and new theories of quasars and cosmology. Since 1994 carrying out research of fusion and fusion propulsion funded by NASA through Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Development of Atomizing Desalination Process. (see list of scientific papers)

    Writing and editing on high technology
    -- Over 600 articles published

    The Big Bang Never Happened
    Eric J. Lerner
    Paperback - 1st Vintage Books Edition, August 1992
    $17.00

    Rod P.

  • DannyBloem
    DannyBloem

    Rod P,

    I did give you only some short answers lately, as I am in bed with the flu.
    Hard to concentrate on these matters.

    Anyway, the problem lies also a bit, if you follow the links, many of alternatives are put on one pile. Ranging from the real quack science to alternative views. It is hard to find out what he persons exactly stand for.

    The second is that it is of course not just about the big bang. Some of the alternative interpretations have real different physics. These are sometimes related to quantum physics and relativity. These are very strong theories, having been 'proven' in many ways, and by the observation of many predictions thay make. This does however not mean that the there is no improvement, additions or changes to these theories possible.

    But alternative theories should fit in to the at least the same prediction and fit the observations.

    The difficulties are here, because many of these articles are not technical. It would be interesting to read some of the predictions that alternative theories make. For example the red shift caused by age, e.g. that mass is changing in time (if I read it correctly) will have many influences on quantum physics.

    Just one thing about not giving alternatives much telescope time etc, that is hard to judge for me. For me it is not clear how valid these alternatives are yet.
    But anyway the things to be studied are also limited, the most interesting objects and charactestics of the universe to study are interested for all theories. If things are used to study the big bang in more details it will show if it is right or wrong someday.

    It would be good to have a overview of all the concequenses of the diffrent models.

    Danny

  • Rod P
  • Rod P
    Rod P

    Danny,

    Sorry you are feeling under the weather. I hope you get well soon.

    I don't think that guys like Halton Arp and Eric Lerner are quacks. They have been around too long (i.e. seasoned, experienced veterans), have excellent academic qualifications, are very aware of the whole body of knowledge that their particular specialties comprise, are juxtapositioning their own observations and theories with that of their colleagues, meeting their objections head-on, and can defend themselves eminently well. Further, they are in very responsible positions within their professions. They just are not very popular amongst their fellow scientists because they don't agree with what everyone else is saying. I think that is a BIG part of the problem here, and that is a barrier I am trying to go thru or around. We need free and open discussion about all points of view. That is reasonable and fair and justifiable.

    At the same time, I am probably a lot like most of us here- a spectator, watching from the sidelines, watching these scientists spar with each other, while I am trying to figure out what is really going on. I have never said I have all the answers, but I sure do want to hear from many different individuals who will critique, criticize, defend or whatever, the things that these scientists are saying. I am trying not to be judgemental, or to have preconceived notions about things, and that is one thing I am trying to foster on this thread, with free and open discussions and exchange of viewpoints, moving forward. This is not about polarizing opinions and apologetics, or preaching dogma. It is about exploration and discovery, and in the end, I hope we do discover and appreciate a few new things from having gone thru this exercise.

    One thing that is emerging from my own experience thus far, is how much I have yet to learn, and also how little I do know about anything for a certainty. It is, at the same time, both humbling and a little frightening. I feel like I am "groping" for the "truth" which seems so illusive at times. I keep searching for "the answer", and so far the answer seems to be "there ain't no answer!" Oh well, onward and upward! (Or as my marketing friend used to tell me, "Inward and downward!"

    Regarding the question of "new physics", again, this is just like the Red Shift question. It is a whole other area of exploration, all of which is relevant to the discussion of the Big Bang theory or alternatives. This again, is a huge and technical subject, with a lot of room for debate and interpretation.

    Relativity is another tool used in Big Bang, and, in fact, depends on it. But here again, contrary to what most think, there are some serious questions on that subject as well, which I have told everyone previously I will want to get into at some depth on another thread. And I don't mean kinky or kooky science here either. You would be surprised to learn that just tinkering around with a few adjustments and changes and additions is not going to suffice. There may actually have to be a whole new paradigm shift involved. But we'll leave that one for another day.

    You mentioned that one of the problems is that some of the articles here are not technical. I suppose you mean that therefore we cannot evaluate the merits or otherwise of their respective theories or explanations, and so it is hard to predict the outcomes or consequences of their models. But this is partly what I thought I was already doing in the cases of Halton Arp and Lerner- there is a lot of technical detail and measurement and observational data they have presented, which I thought would help you to assimilate and evaluate their theories better.

    I think it is pretty clear that given our present state of knowledge, we are not going to get to the bottom of everything anytime soon.

    You will recall that I stated much earlier that we would first try to present some alternate viewpoints and deal with specific items on Big Bang (eg RedShift) one at a time. Then, at the end of our "fact-finding" mission, my intent was to try and put things together and see if we can distill things, and finally discuss some of the implications or ramifications for these alternatives, if the Big Bang is not necessarily true.

    Well, I would still like to end up with that kind of discussion. But at the same time, I am discovering that it is extremely difficult to isolate one thing at a time and deal with it only, to the exclusion of all others. There is so much interaction going on, with one approach or factor that bolsters a particular item, while another one challenges the same thing.

    Anyway, we're not done yet. But it should prove interesting as to where we are going to end up. Here is what I think are the possible outcomes of this discussion:

    1) We may end up accepting the Big Bang theory as it is currently being taught or accepted.

    2) We may decide that at least one alternative explanation or model for the Universe has a better explanation than does "Gig-Bang.

    3) We may come to the view that this is entirely too uncertain, too complex, too tentative at the present level of our knowledge of the universe, that the only intelligent position to take on this is that of the "Agnostic". We simply do not know with any kind of certainty. Therefore, we shall remain open to the possibility that other models are possible than the Big Bang, and so we simply need to keep an open mind, and await new developments and observation and research.

    (For the record, thus far my position is 3).

    Rod P.

    edited to remove gaps and spaces and to correct the first sentence.

  • Rod P
    Rod P

    I think the time has come when it is appropriate to start presenting a number of different articles and sources that will get into a number of philosophical considerations surrounding Big Bang. And again, I want the readers to know that my position at the present time is not fixed, I do not have a hidden agenda leading you somewhere, and I certainly have not made up my own mind on this whole issue.

    Part of what I am trying to accomplish on this thread is to present some of the problems with Big Bang, what are some of the other models proposed to explain the Universe, and finally, trying to summarize all this in an encapsulated form, so that we can gain a better perspective of the possibilities. I have not done this as yet, so that the best description for this would be "Under Construction" or a "Work-in-Progress". To that end, I would invite you scientific buffs to jump in here and volunteer your suggestions and comments.

    One more thing. If some of the material does bring up any notion of a "God" or "Creator" or "Divine Architect" behind the Universe, please do not jump all over me. I am well aware that this is an area that is considered by scientists as being "merely philosophical" and "beyond science" and therefore should not be given any consideration in the equation. I am simply presenting material here that represents different viewpoints, and the fact of the matter here is that there are scientists who do believe that it is appropriate to consider "God" in the equation precisely because there is too much mathematical order and laws of physics operating in the universe to be explained by random chance probability cause. In short, the mention of "God" here does not mean I am trying to convince you of "God". It is simply one of the alternatives.

    So, here goes:

    Big Bang Theory - The Premise
    The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

    According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.

    After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang"), expanded and cooled, going from very, very small and very, very hot, to the size and temperature of our current universe. It continues to expand and cool to this day and we are inside of it: incredible creatures living on a unique planet, circling a beautiful star clustered together with several hundred billion other stars in a galaxy soaring through the cosmos, all of which is inside of an expanding universe that began as an infinitesimal singularity which appeared out of nowhere for reasons unknown. This is the Big Bang theory.

    Big Bang Theory - Common Misconceptions
    There are many misconceptions surrounding the Big Bang theory. For example, we tend to imagine a giant explosion. Experts however say that there was no explosion; there was (and continues to be) an expansion. Rather than imagining a balloon popping and releasing its contents, imagine a balloon expanding: an infinitesimally small balloon expanding to the size of our current universe.

    Another misconception is that we tend to image the singularity as a little fireball appearing somewhere in space. According to the many experts however, space didn't exist prior to the Big Bang. Back in the late '60s and early '70s, when men first walked upon the moon, "three British astrophysicists, Steven Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose turned their attention to the Theory of Relativity and its implications regarding our notions of time. In 1968 and 1970, they published papers in which they extended Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to include measurements of time and space. 1, 2 According to their calculations, time and space had a finite beginning that corresponded to the origin of matter and energy." 3 The singularity didn't appear in space; rather, space began inside of the singularity. Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where it is. All we really know is that we are inside of it and at one time it didn't exist and neither did we.

    Big Bang Theory - Evidence for the Theory
    What are the major evidences which support the Big Bang theory?

    • First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.
    • Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.
    • Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.
    • Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins.

    Big Bang Theory - The Only Plausible Theory?
    Is the standard Big Bang theory the only model consistent with these evidences? No, it's just the most popular one. Internationally renown Astrophysicist George F. R. Ellis explains: "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations….For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations….You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that." 4

    In 2003, Physicist Robert Gentry proposed an attractive alternative to the standard theory, an alternative which also accounts for the evidences listed above. 5 Dr. Gentry claims that the standard Big Bang model is founded upon a faulty paradigm (the Friedmann-lemaitre expanding-spacetime paradigm) which he claims is inconsistent with the empirical data. He chooses instead to base his model on Einstein's static-spacetime paradigm which he claims is the "genuine cosmic Rosetta." Gentry has published several papers outlining what he considers to be serious flaws in the standard Big Bang model. 6 Other high-profile dissenters include Nobel laureate Dr. Hannes Alfvén, Professor Geoffrey Burbidge, Dr. Halton Arp, and the renowned British astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle, who is accredited with first coining the term "the Big Bang" during a BBC radio broadcast in 1950.

    Big Bang Theory - What About God?
    Any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. That is, it took place outside of the natural realm. This fact begs the question: is there anything else which exists outside of the natural realm? Specifically, is there a master Architect out there? We know that this universe had a beginning. Was God the "First Cause"? We won't attempt to answer that question in this short article. We just ask the question:

    Does God Exist!

    Footnotes:

    1. Steven W. Hawking, George F.R. Ellis, "The Cosmic Black-Body Radiation and the Existence of Singularities in our Universe," Astrophysical Journal, 152, (1968) pp. 25-36.
    2. Steven W. Hawking, Roger Penrose, "The Singularities of Gravitational Collapse and Cosmology," Proceedings of the Royal Society of London, series A, 314 (1970) pp. 529-548.
    3. Mark Eastman, Chuck Missler, The Creator: Beyond Time and Space, (1996) p. 11.
    4. W. Wayt Gibbs, "Profile: George F. R. Ellis," Scientific American, October 1995, Vol. 273, No.4, p. 55.
    5. See http://www.halos.com/reports/ext-2003-022.pdf
    6. See http://www.halos.com/reports/arxiv-1998-rosetta.pdf and http://www.halos.com/reports/ext-2003-021.pdf; see also http://www.halos.com/reports/arxiv-1998-redshift.pdf and http://www.halos.com/reports/arxiv-1998-affirmed.pdf

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  • Rod P
    Rod P

    This is Page four of the thread. One of the problems I have noticed is that, for some reason,the column had annoyingly widened. This forces the reader to toggle back and forth sideways to read a whole line.

    The solution to this problem, for those who don't know: go to the bottom left corner of this page and click "compact". This will make the printing smaller, but the columns will narrow to get all of the content visible on the screen at once.

    I keep hoping that this Page 4 will fill up so that it will spill over to Page 5. That way we can get back on track with a normal column width.

    Rod P.

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