Say I know , we will just deport all our murdering bastards to canada where they can be pampered ..................... NOT and just what are you saying that the romans were morally challenged ? Look around pally the world is morally challenged , the US goes around the world to find people they can execute and blow to pieces ..................
Are You For or Against The Death Penalty?
by minimus 264 Replies latest jw friends
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tetrapod.sapien
I'm all for making the death penalty a public spectacle . I'd even settle for a gladiator type death match with the winner getting a couple months cable TV and a visit to the spa or something LOL .
heathen,
well then, i guess you really do typify that america is just another big rome. this may be news to you, but the rest of the world, with the exceptions of the indonessians, the north koreans, the isrealis, the iranians and al qaeda, already see you as this.
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tetrapod.sapien
Look around pally the world is morally challenged , the US goes around the world to find people they can execute and blow to pieces
heathen,
well done! now that's a great show for the biggest stupor power on the planet, the US of a
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jula71
Tetra, good points and all, but how about a homicidal sociopath? A person that has killed, no conscience, no remorse, no cure, no therapy. A person that given the chance will no doubt kill again. What do you do with him? How do you protect other prisoners from this person?
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undercover
- were you get your morals from? (really think about it)
- how you "know" when one should be put to death?
- what exactly gives you the right to do this?
- is the contradiction completely lost on you? if the murderer did not have the right to take one human's life, then what gives you that right?
- what fiat of power are you working under?
- do you not see this as primitive? (with full aknowledgement that the original crime was a primitive act of course)
- how do you condone capital punishment, and yet not condone genocide and vendetta killing?
- does simply being a member of a country with a judicial system give you the right to support state sponsored death?
1. Where does anyone get their morals from? Everyone has different morals. Sometimes our morals do not reflect the general consensus of what is right and wrong. That's when we have to determine whether we live within societie's rules or not. If we choose not to, then we may have to pay the penalty even though our morals tells us we didn't do anything wrong.
2. When it is absolutely positive that the person charged is guilty of a heinous crime.
3. I don't have the right to kill anyone, but if granted to me by the state of which I live, I would pull the switch on a murderer of one of my family members. Call it revenge if you will, but if someone took from me then I want vengeance.
4. There is no contradiction. The murderer lost all rights when he committed murder. If the penalty of death is death, then he must pay.
5. I don't drive Italian POS's. (a little levity to lighten the mood ). I may support the death penalty, but I live within whatever society dictates as far as how murderers should be dealt with. If I lived in Europe, I wouldn't try to go against the government to see a murderer killed. I'd have to accept the penalty as they saw fit.
6. Man is primitive. For all his knowledge, his inventions, his pride, man is much more primitive than he wants to admit.
7. Capitol punishment and genocide are not the same thing. That is a non-argument. For one genocide is the killing of people just because their different somehow, not because their mass murderers. Capital punishment is handled on a case by case situation.
8. I support the death penalty whether the state government where I live uses it or not. It is my personal opinion, no matter what anyone or any government says.
Not everyone is going to agree and that's fine. I know what I think and I accept it that those who are against it have some valid arguments but I don't think I'm any less moral than those against the death penalty just because they feel that they are above it all somehow.
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heathen
Ahhh now look at canada with their gun control pointing the moral finger , you so cute I could pinch your cheek . I don't make the laws around here I do watch the idiot politicians and their twisted moral agenda make everybody look like idiots . I'll go one further and say the US is the wild beast with 666 branded on it .......................................
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truthseeker
Let's be honest.
How many here, who are against the death penalty would support war?
Soldiers are trained to kill, there's no doubt about that.
Yet people make more fuss about executing a murderer or a child rapist and say it's inhuman than they do about an Iraqi soldier who has been shot dead or US Marine who died in combat. The UK banned capital punishment in the '60s, yet they train their soliders to kill. No mention is made of accidental civilian deaths in Iraq, which include women and children, yet the liberal rights movement will do everything they can do protect sexual predators and deviants.
Murderers deserve to die. Is it cruel to put them to death? No.
I think, that if there is enough evidence to convict someone of a capital crime, and he/she has confessed, then why keep them alive?
Maybe some here who are against capital punishment would think twice if their son or daughter died a horrible death, because believe me, it happens all the time.
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undercover
How many here, who are against the death penalty would support war?
In all fairness, we could ask "who for the death penalty would not support war?"
While I'm for the death penalty, I'm not always for war. I believe in a strong military....for defense; not for invasion or pushing our ideals or way of life on other peoples. But that's the problem when you have a strong military...if you don't use it you'll lose it to budget cuts.
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trevor
Every time our countries explode bombs in other countries, for political reasons and kill people, the death penalty is being applied to people who have not been found guilty of any crime except being in the wrong place at the wrong time. When it happens in our own countries we call it terrorism. If we value life so much that we cannot justify execution, how do we justify the mass murder of people in other countries? Either we do not as civilized people take life under any circumstance, except as a last resort in self defence, or we kill when it suits us to and say ’so what.’ I don't claim to have the answer but I am troubled by the inconsistency of the whole thing.
Oh my God! I have quoted myself and I thought I had no ego?
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tetrapod.sapien
jula,
the person described deserves to die, yes. but we don't have the right to take her life. incidentally, i am not against the right for people to take their own life. put the prisoner in solitary for a week, with pen and paper, and tell them that if they don't want to serve their entire 80 year sentence whilst being gang raped every night, then they can take a vile of whatever. this would appease the blood vendetta lust of some, and give the system a bit of a break.
truthseeker,
Murderers deserve to die. Is it cruel to put them to death? No.
where do you get your morals from? where did you learn to think like this? what would make you right? what would make you wrong?
How many here, who are against the death penalty would support war?
i am categorically against war of all forms. against terrorism of all forms, including war on terror and capital punishment.
undercover,
thanks for responding to my questions!
i like a few of them, and i want to respond anyways.
1. Where does anyone get their morals from? Everyone has different morals. Sometimes our morals do not reflect the general consensus of what is right and wrong. That's when we have to determine whether we live within societie's rules or not. If we choose not to, then we may have to pay the penalty even though our morals tells us we didn't do anything wrong.
true. i would only add that IMO, we get our morals from evolutionary sources. and therefore they can't all be right, and so some should be challeneged. death penalty falls under that, for me.
3. I don't have the right to kill anyone, but if granted to me by the state of which I live, I would pull the switch on a murderer of one of my family members. Call it revenge if you will, but if someone took from me then I want vengeance.
this is what i mean by evolutionary morals.
4. There is no contradiction. The murderer lost all rights when he committed murder. If the penalty of death is death, then he must pay.
yes, but vengance is not a good enough reason to assign the right of death penalty.
5. I don't drive Italian POS's. (a little levity to lighten the mood ). I may support the death penalty, but I live within whatever society dictates as far as how murderers should be dealt with. If I lived in Europe, I wouldn't try to go against the government to see a murderer killed. I'd have to accept the penalty as they saw fit.
LOL. and true, there is only so much we can do.
6. Man is primitive. For all his knowledge, his inventions, his pride, man is much more primitive than he wants to admit.
so true! (however, the fact that we are able to see this, and admit to it, shows that we are on the verge of changing, no?)
7. Capitol punishment and genocide are not the same thing. That is a non-argument. For one genocide is the killing of people just because their different somehow, not because their mass murderers. Capital punishment is handled on a case by case situation.
yes, but it all comes from the same evolutionary neural wirings. the ability to go through with a killing of another member of ones own species, originates in the same part of the brain, and the same moment in evolution.
8. I support the death penalty whether the state government where I live uses it or not. It is my personal opinion, no matter what anyone or any government says.
true. in the end you can believe whatever you like, of course. it's just that there is already so much death. i'd hope my government sees it this way.
Not everyone is going to agree and that's fine. I know what I think and I accept it that those who are against it have some valid arguments but I don't think I'm any less moral than those against the death penalty just because they feel that they are above it all somehow.
well like you said, we're all kind of primitive, right? so, i don't think i'm above it. and i certainly think they deserve to die. but that is different from going through with it.
i just see an anthropological pattern here, that not many people are interesting in exploring. death is an easy solution to the problem of what to do with these freaks. i just don't like simple solutions if there are more humane ones. i would rather treat a horrible person humanely, than repay them with the same savagery that they have themselves. this, i think, is a true punishment.
cheers
TS