Are You For or Against The Death Penalty? (page 8)

trevor

the perpertrator would also admit to it so that there's no question.

Murderers admit to the crime to get a reduced sentence. If they knew that an admission would be the final nail in the coffin, pardon the pun, they would lie their heads of.

minimus

I guess that means you can't trust a killer then.

sixsixsixtynine

I don't know you but you seem to think that your opinion matters more than others.

No, I just think I'm right. Just like you do.

My point is, that we already execute people that we are really sure are guilty. But we've been proven wrong many times. So, how high do we set the standard for proof of guilt? How much is enough? And at that point, even if it's obvious to every single last citizen that the person is guilty, what are we gaining by killing this person?

If killing is wrong, then killing is wrong.

minimus

Ah. Killing is not wrong at times, imho.

sixsixsixtynine

Ah. Killing is not wrong at times, imho.

Remember, we're not talking about self-defense. We're debating premeditated execution, either by the state or an individual.

undercover

So as long as we are super-duper sure that they are guilty, it's okay?
How many witnesses would we need? One...two...ten...a hundred? Would we need to have it on videotape, and a confession, and DNA?
Sorry folks, it doesn't work that way. It's all or nothing.

Well, I don't claim to have all the answers or know the best way of determining guilt, but there are some cases where there is no doubt whatsoever of the guiltiness of the murderer. In those cases the death penalty would be warranted in the Kindgom of Undercover.

minimus

Here's how I see it. Let's say my daughter gets abducted, raped, tortured, mutilated and beaten to death from a killer. ALL the EVIDENCE PROVES he was the one. HE even admits it (because the evidence is overwhelming) and states that if he's not executed, he will kill again in prison or if he can ever get out, he'll rape and gleefully kill again. I would want this person killed as soon as possible. This would benefit everybody.

DannyBloem

Why is it that people are pro? why want people the death penalty? Because it makes them 'feel good'?

It is strange that the same persons that are pro death penalty are sometimes anti on volutairy ending of a life by sick or old persons.

Danny

undercover

But our government will kill people in other countries, including civilians, claiming they are doing it to protect us.

Ah, but war and murder are two different things. It all depends on whose side you're on.

I saw a few minutes of a movie about Geronimo the other day. A US government representative is talking to Geronimo trying to get him to surrender. Geronimo is reluctant after all that he's been through and the lies he's seen from DC. The US rep tells him that he(Geronimo) is guilty of killing many people including women and children. Geronimo says the whites have killed many Apache, women and children included. The rep says that was war, not murder. Geronimo says he was at war and so was not murdering also.

Depending on whose side you were on, the action was justified as an act of war. I'm not saying it's right, just the way it is. That's why stronger nations get away with invading and conquering weaker nations.

undercover

Let's say my daughter gets abducted, raped, tortured, mutilated and beaten to death from a killer. ALL the EVIDENCE PROVES he was the one. HE even admits it (because the evidence is overwhelming) and states that if he's not executed, he will kill again in prison or if he can ever get out, he'll rape and gleefully kill again. I would want this person killed as soon as possible.

And I would want to be the one to pull the switch, push the plunger on the syringe or release the gas into the chamber.

Are You For or Against The Death Penalty?

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