Hellrider it seems to me by your comments that you are not really that interested in knowing . Maybe it is just the way you say things or put, but I get the vibe your in this just for the arguing and im not down for that
Gods Hero[s]
by Norm 45 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Lilycurly
Well, I am far for being a closed mind, so I would really like to understand how you can justify such violence. But I have been a Witness since my infancy, and I've heard every kind of explanations that never satisfied me. You see, I am the kind of person who would cry over a stray cat getting hit by a car. I just can NOT tolerate violence.
To me it feels just as if someone tried to justified a mass-murderer (who liked to burn foxes, too) by trying to give good reasons...
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Hellrider
Hellrider it seems to me by your comments that you are not really that interested in knowing .
...knowing? Or accepting an unlogical argument? My point was: Clearly, the Bible says that God supports, even commands, the Israelites to slay the non-Israelites (philistines, canaanites etc), killing each and every one of them, and "salt the earth" where they lived, and take their land.The question is: God, as Creator of all things, created these philistines and canaanites too...some of their ancestors must have obviously strayed from the "straight and narrow" as they clearly don`t worship YHWH any more. But is this the fault of their descendants? Why whould a GOD that is infinite, omnipotent and GOOD allow, even support, something like this to happen? Why would he bless ONE tribe, and sentence all the others to death, as they were all humans, descendants of Adam and Eve? (seen from an atheist-perspective, although I`m not a 100 % atheist, the likely and logical answer is of course that he was not anyones god at all, just an invention by the Israelites, as THEIR God, and then of course he would be on their side no matter what grotesque acts they might do). I am really interested in an explanation on this point, and if you can provide one, I`m not going to ridicule neither you or your answer.
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lilycurly
Im the same way i cant even get my self to step on an ant outside. Seeing that you have been a witness your whole life and heard every explaination possible I could not offer you anything new. I totally agree with why Jehovah God has at times wiped out entire nations. I am not one to arrogantly ask why? Although I do admit that there are alot, well, somethings that Jehovah has done that I dont understand why. However i dont question it. Call me brainwashed if you want but my attitude is this. Jehovah knows what hes doing and i firmly believe that perfect is Gods activity and that all his ways are just. Upright and just is he a God with whom there is no injustice. Could that be what faith is?
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Satanus
Defd says he doesn't understand, doesn't question why jehovah wiped out entire races. I guess that means that he can provide no justification for his god's genocidal acts.
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Leolaia
There is a good deal of biblical and extrabiblical evidence that the tribe of Dan originally was not part of Israel but was one of the Aegean sea peoples (along with the Philistines) that settled the coast of the Levant. It is thus commonly thought that Samson (< West Semitic shmsh "sun") was a traditional Danite solar hero, related to similar Greek heroes like Danaus, Mopsus, Cadmus, Perseus, and Heracles. The tribe of the Danaoi was believed by the Greeks and Egyptians to have lived near Jaffa, Danaus himself having been born in the East as the son of Belus (= Baal), Cadmus (< West Semitic qdm "east") was believed to have introduced the Semitic alphabet to the Greeks, Mopsus was a solar hero who -- as one of the Danaoi -- was famous for riddles like Samson, Perseus was another solar hero who fought a sea monster in Jaffa (where the Danaoi lived according to the Egyptians, and roughly where the tribe of Dan lived according to the Samson story in Judges), to save the life of Andromeda (< West Semitic 'nt rmt "Exalted Anat"), and Heracles was another solar hero who was renowed for his physical strength. Samson's almost exclusive dealings with the Philistines is thus reflective of the close kinship between the Aegean Danites and the Philistines in comparison to the Semitic Israelites. At some point, the coastal Danites aligned themselves with the Israelites (thus they are already mentioned as a coastal tribe in the genuinely archaic Judges 5:17, tho the much later Judges 18:1 recognized that the Danites had no inheritance among the tribes of Israel at the time), and became enemies of the Philistines; some time after that, the Danites removed themselves from being adjacent to Philistine territory and settled in the north on the fringes of the northern kingdom (ch. 18). The compiler of Judges took the traditional legendary Samson hero popular among the Danites, and historicized him within a definite period of Israelite history.
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satanus
If you read my post youll see i said i do know why God destroyed nations and i agree with it. I said there are SOME things I dont but do not ? it. Big difference from what you said.
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Satanus
Aah yes, in an earlier post you said that. My mistake. You offered to explain it, but decided that hellrider, and i suppose myself, are not worthy to hear it.
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Hellrider
Upright and just is he a God with whom there is no injustice. Could that be what faith is?
Ok, that`s ok. That`s fair. With that sentence, you just said that "it can`t be explained, at least not so that a human could understand it". And that`s ok. I wish JWs (and all the other religions too, for that matter) would say that a lot more often, rather than try to "prove" their religion, or "explain it". (the WT even tries proving their religion scientifically, a hundred years after all other christians on earth realised that that couldn`t be done, on the contrary, science could so easily argue against, almost disprove, their faith.).
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Krystal
I totally agree with why Jehovah God has at times wiped out entire nations. I am not one to arrogantly ask why? Although I do admit that there are alot, well, somethings that Jehovah has done that I dont understand why. However i dont question it. Call me brainwashed if you want but my attitude is this. Jehovah knows what hes doing and i firmly believe that perfect is Gods activity and that all his ways are just. Upright and just is he a God with whom there is no injustice.
Oh goddess please help me! I cannot believe the things I am reading here...
How can you not fully understand why an ENTIRE NATION was destroyed and yet agree with it?
Is it really arrogent for humans to want to understand why hundreds even thousands of their fellow humans deserved to die?
Can you tell me what is just about letting a big brute run around killing people and INNOCENT ANIMALS?
You may very well say that the people were "wicked" but please tell me what grave sin these animals committed that they needed to die in such a disgusting fashion?
If your definition of "faith" is belief that those innocent animals and at best mislead people deserved in some inexplicable way deserved to die, then I thank my lucky stars I do not have faith like you.
What if that had been your daughter? What if they wanted to burn you alive because their faith told them it was necessary? Would you think that god is merciful, gracious and loving then?