Scriptural Validity of Earthly Paradise?

by stevieb1 28 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Tree's have limbs, just like arms outstretched.

    I see you are blind to prophecy.

    Ex 17:10-13
    10 So Joshua fought the Amalekites as Moses had ordered, and Moses, Aaron and Hur went to the top of the hill. 11 As long as Moses held up his hands, the Israelites were winning, but whenever he lowered his hands, the Amalekites were winning. 12 When Moses' hands grew tired, they took a stone and put it under him and he sat on it. Aaron and Hur held his hands up--one on one side, one on the other--so that his hands remained steady till sunset. 13 So Joshua overcame the Amalekite army with the sword.

    Moses with his hands held up and steadied by Aaron and Hur, "Aaron and Hur held his hands up--one on one side, one on the other

    Christ died on a cross as prophesied by the actions of these three men.

    Your man made wisdom shall be wasted to the ground and pummeled into oblivion.

    The cross is true.

    PS. Moses remained in that position till sunset. Christ was on the cross to that very same time.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Actually, Mike... and may you have peace...

    My Lord was nailed to a log, a tree trunk, with a board or limb nailed across it, very close to the top. It was a wooden pole, and with the cross limb, made a "T" (and not a cross, as many have been misled to believe), with just enough of the pole visible above the limb to post Pilate's notice.

    It is earthling man's PHYSICAL inability to SEE my Lord on this apparatus, that precludes them from understanding what, in truth, it was. However, I have seen it, and my Lord upon it, when he took me there 'in the spirit'. Most of the bark has been scraped off, but still it was very crude. He hands were outstretched, on to each side, and the nails pierced the point where the hand meets the wrist.

    Mr. 'Pom, although possessing no spirit, or leading by any spirit, speaks of his OWN 'initiative', and you will get nowhere with him as far as reasoning, because he himself has all the answers... which he claims to have gleaned from the Bible. Unfortunately, he has yet to understand that although he CLAIMS to 'see'... he is yet blind... because he does not possess the EYESALVE that would have opened his eyes TO the Truth, my Lord... such 'eyesalve' being holy spirit. Thus, he utterly fails to GRASP the meaning of my Lords words:

    "You are searching the scriptures because you THINK
    that by means of THEM you will have everlasting life.
    And these are the very ones that bear witness about ME
    and yet... YOU DO NOT WANT TO COME... TO ME... that
    you may have life."

    John 5:39, 40

    'Pom is 'right'... and so all others are wrong... at least in his own mind and heart. Must be a lonely 'life', one I would not wish to received. Instead, by means of a sharing in the ONE Spirit, I have received 'brothers and sisters'... a hundredfold... and thank my Father, JAH OF ARMIES, and His Son, my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... everyday for such ones.

    His lack of love and hatred is SO manifest, that he has proven unwittingly who his 'father' is. Rather than preach a message of love and forgivness and release, along with 'sacred secrets', he has instead displayed NO amount of love to any that I can see... as well as called people names, slandered them, judged, condemned... and just overall preach hate.

    But since love IS the Law's fulfillment, and those who demonstrate hate and malice, rather than love and long-suffering... show THEMSELVES to be like Cain... and from their 'father'... the Devil... and so we do not need to 'expose' them... for they 'expose' themselves, truly. 'Pom would wish to decry that TRUTH... and instead accuse ME... but my Lord has reassured me that 'by [our] fruits' ones would know from where each of us 'hail' and by whom we have been begat... and so I have no worry.

    No man is an island... and the Body of my Lord has... MANY 'members'.

    I hope this helps, and I bid you peace.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    AGuest exposed:

    2 Cor 11:13-15
    13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Well, yes, of course... I 'hear' Satan, too, 'Pom. He is, after all, a spirit. And I hear others, as well. So what? I still must 'test' whatever 'expression' I receive to determine whether it 'originates' with God. If I 'hear' something that doesn't 'ring' quite true... that does not 'taste good'... then I ask, "Who is this, please?"
    My Lord... ALWAYS identifies himself through the Spirit, and at times, the Spirit identifies himself. Satan... also identifies himself. If asked... he has to... for he, too, is 'under authority'... for ALL 'authority'... in heaven AND on earth... has been given to my Lord. And so HE directs such one to reveal himself, if I demand it. If I don't ask... then the 'error'... is mine.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ, who knows that the 'witness' is not FOR 'Pom, but instead for any who are hearing... or who 'wish' to hear... what the Spirit says.

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    AGuest, a woman "teacher" who hears Satan and professes spiritism (a form of sorcery), teaches this:

    Now, I asked you did my Lord ever sin? My answer would be, of course, that no, he never did. However, my initial question to you was... did he lie... to ANYONE? You responded that "I never said our Lord sinned." Which is, of course, quite correct. But that does not answer the question, 'did he ever lie', does it?

    Now, permit me, to share with YOU what has been shared with ME... by my Lord... and which, in face, prompted this inquiry by him, which he gave to ME... to give to you. Note:

    "'The world has not reason to hate you, but it hates me,
    because I bear witness concerning it that its works are
    wicked. You go on up to the festival; am not yet going
    up to the festival, because my due time has not yet fully
    come.' So after he told them these things, he remained in
    Galilee."

    So far, so good... yes? Ah, but let's continue:

    "But... when his brothers had gone up to the festival,
    then he ALSO went up himself... NOT openly... but in
    secret."

    Uhhhhh-ohhhhhh. My Lord told his disciples that he was NOT going to do something that he then... IN SECRET... actually did. Hmmmmm...
    And yet, he was 'without sin'.

    She plainly teaches that Jesus is a liar!!! Blasphemy to the very spirit of the Almighty God!!! You ridiculous foolish woman!!

    You are a fake and false teacher, masquerading as The True God's servant. You teach lies from your lord Satan. You are his servant. He is the father of the lie and you follow in his tradition.

    2 Cor 11:13-15
    13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    Mark 8:33
    "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God...

  • ianao
    ianao

    Now we see what causes holy wars...

    I'm glad you holier than thou folks are just on a DB at the moment as I imagine if you were having this form of discussion in person you would no doubt be at each other's throats by now.

    -ianao

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Golly, 'Pom... you are TRULY... one 'stupid' man...

    I did not teach my Lord to be 'liar' in the sense that YOU and others know the word... a 'deceiver'. And that was entirely my point. My Lord told his disciples he was NOT going up, but in fact DID go up... secretly... for their protection, as well as for the entire WORLD's. In MOST circles, that would be considered a lie. However, my POINT was that it was NOT... because the word referred to in the LAW COVENANT... meant deception and malice. He meant neither, but quite the opposite... love and salvation. YOU cannot 'see' that because the 'light' in YOU... is very dark. Absolutely NO 'illumination'.

    Why? Because your heart is 'veiled'... by your insistence on adherence to the Law Covenant, rather than preaching it IMPALED and heralding instead... a NEW Covenant... one of love, mercy and forgiveness. It is by MEANS of that New Covenant... that I have 'freedom of speech', even to say what I 'hear'... and whom I hear it from.

    2 Corinthians 3:12-18

    Yes, I hear spirits... and so did my brothers. If not, how then did John say to TEST the 'inspired expressions to see if they originate with God'? If, however, YOU knew what you were talking about, you would know that this 'discernment of inspired utterances'... is a 'GIFT' of the holy spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:10).

    In addition, IF you knew what you were talking about, you would know that I did not blaspheme against that spirit... which is NOT the same as blasphemy against the Christ... which I didn't do either... but spoke TRUTH. Had I hid my gift, or denied my 'light'... then I would be acting in SHAME against that spirit... and against my Lord... who would in turn be ashamed of ME... before my Father. Rather, I was TOLD to 'let my light shine'; indeed, I am to say IN THE LIGHT, what I hear from my Lord IN THE DARK, and preach FROM THE HOUSETOPS what I hear 'whispered'.

    And it is with 'whispers'... or 'low tones'... that my Lord speaks to me. Satan, however, 'KEEPS transforming himself into an angel of light' and ATTEMPTING to 'whisper', too. But his... is the 'voice of a stranger' and thus does not 'ring true'. So, indeed, I 'test' WHATEVER expression I am uncertain as to have originated with my Lord.

    Matthew 10:27-28
    Proverbs 8:4-11

    You would ALSO know that there is no 'law' against hearing spirits... but against acting as a 'medium' for such spirits... or a psychic... which I do not do, and have no DESIRE to do. I am not a 'mediator', so I cannot and will not use my 'gift' to contact the spirits of ones in Sheol, Hades, etc., on behalf of those still living in the flesh, nor will I ever use it to divine... attempt to 'see' the future. Those things are 'detestable' to my Father, as He has told me through my Lord. I have been given VERY specific directions as to how I am to use my gift... under what circumstances... and for whom. And to the BEST of my ability... I attempt to do 'just so'.

    You would ALSO know that indeed I do NOT have 'the mind of God'... and neither do YOU... but I DO have 'the mind of Christ'. But you are a PHYSICAL man... and not a SPIRITUAL one... these things are 'foolishness' to you. Indeed, NO ONE can say, "Christ is Lord"... EXCEPT by holy spirit! However, it is YOU who have repeatedly stated MY Lord, the Son of God, to be 'accursed'.

    1 Corinthians 2:11-16
    1 Corinthians 12:3

    But I have worries or concerns regarding you, 'Pom, for my Father, through my Lord... WILL rebuke you. It is indeed coming. Therefore, you are but a fleeting thought in my small life.

    Ianao... there is no 'holy war' here... and I have no desire to 'be at' Pomegranate's 'throat'. Not at all. I am only making a defense for my hope... and the TRUTH... of which 'Pom quite obviously knows nothing about. He is a 'contender'... and self-righteous individual... and I only respond for the sake of 'onlookers', such as yourself. I do not need 'Pom's approval... or yours... nor do I seek it. My peace to you remains, however, if indeed you 'receive' it.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    You are a fake and false teacher, masquerading as The True God's servant. You teach lies from your lord Satan. You are his servant. He is the father of the lie and you follow in his tradition.
    2 Cor 11:13-15
    13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

  • The Quiet One

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