The Skeptic's Worst Nightmare (S) (page 5)

tetrapod.sapien

.....Yet evolutionists continue to control the scientific and education establishments, insisting that total evolution is a scientific fact and creation is religion,

yeah? so what?

again, the debate is already taking place here, and you are the loser. you do not respond to the points of your opponents, your arguments are full of implicit assertions that have not been proven, and you follow no other protocol than pasting propaganda from other web sites. whoopty-doo! brilliant!

rational people even responding to your threads, is an undeserved kindness, to borrow a religious phrase. it gives the impression that there is something actually worthwhile to debate with you about, when in reality, there is none. it gives YEC and fundamentalism the limelight that it does not deserve. i hope you're enjoying it while it lasts.

holy jebus!

TS

hmike

Thanks for the input Mike and I appreciate that very much. A previous writer on another thread asked if I would call someone supporting or affirming my information a 'backslapper', since I had noted that 'itsallgoodnow' with her brief post cheering on Alan F. was doing just that. If can't see the difference between her post and this one, so be it.

Not a backslap so much as just a little support from someone who has taken a few hits of his own over the years. You're more openly challenging and confrontational than I am, though.

Besides, I don't like to see anybody ganged up on, even people I disagree with.

ellderwho

Yeah Mike Im with you,

Whats seems to fly under the radar in this thread at least, is the inability for the evolutionist to point at mans transitional skeleton. And firmly state "see theres the proof."

After watching the Discovery Channels "Ape to Man" I was left with a bunch of paleontologist having wishful hopes/magical thinking that a apes skull cap unearthed was that of early man. And calling it that without the rest of the body/bones.

I mean sway me from my Christian world veiw with some real full sets of skeletons of the said transition that took place over the millions and millions of years. There should be some, right? Now then we'd have something to chew on rather than the paleontologist arbitrarily calling an apes skull cap "homo-erectus" from 1.5 million years ago.

Or hey maybe I just missed the exibit at the Smithsonian.

tetrapod.sapien

elder,

OMG.

looks like you did miss the smithsonian exhibit. here you go:

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/ances_start.html

"see, there's the proof":

alt

lookie lookie! so many chimps and humans with different skulls!

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i hope this helps,

TS

ellderwho

EW:Whats seems to fly under the radar in this thread at least, is the inability for the evolutionist to point at mans transitional skeleton. And firmly state "see theres the proof."

Sorry Tetrapod still no exhibits of transitional skeletons. Skull cap is wishful thinking. Show me da bones. A link would be nice.

rem

Guess you didn't check out the links because there is a hell of a lot more than skull caps available. Evidence doesn't have to be scary if you let go of your presuppositions.

rem

tetrapod.sapien

Sorry Tetrapod still no exhibits of transitional skeletons.

elder,

you ARE a transitional skeleton. look no further if you don't want to. compared to what your ancestors were, and compared to what your offspring will be 2 million years from now, you ARE the missing link, whether you like it or not.

if you do not think there are any transitional skeletons, then you clearly have not looked. to deny there are any, is to fly in the face of peer reviewed paleontology and anthropology.

i have a funny feeling that even if the fossil record produced a full "transitional form/skeleton", you would still ignorantly point at it and say "gorilla! i would like to see a true transitional form now please. a link would be nice." i've heard it all before from you creationists. hell, i used to be one. do i see some double-think here? why, yes i do! you can blindly accept that some unfalsifiable creator put us all here, and yet you cannot accept plain, falsifiable fossil evidence for the evolution of man.

like i said, do your own research. i'm not going to hold your hand through the whole process.

Skull cap ; is wishful thinking.

HA HA HA HA!! wishful thinking?! GOD IS WISHFUL THINKING!!

craniums are the most telling and conclusive type of "transitional" fossil you could possibly hope for! your insistence on seeing femurs shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

TS

ellderwho

if you do not think there are any transitional skeletons, then you clearly have not looked. to deny there are any, is to fly in the face of peer reviewed paleontology and anthropology.

Just give me a link that shows one transitional skeleton.

compared to what your ancestors were,

My exact point. Where are they that I may look upon them?

i have a funny feeling that even if the fossil record produced a full "transitional form/skeleton",

Careful about that wishful thinking.

Why dont you send all your transitional skeletal information to the producers of the Discovery Channel it seems they errantly left out of the program, so they can be enlightened by your findings and share them with the audience that missed that all important missing skeletal links you speak of.

ellderwho

Guess you didn't check out the links because there is a hell of a lot more than skull caps available

Show me your favorite link that you use to prove there are transitional skeletal fossils. Im sure you'll show me many, many generations of fossils. That illustrate the transition. From ape to man.

tetrapod.sapien

my god. why do you waste my time like this? are you too lazy to go look for yourself? do you know anything about paleontology?

the fact that you demand links from me, shows that you do not really want to know the reality of the matter. but for the sake of the lurkers, i reply.

you want a transitional skeleton (whatever "transitional" means )? try KNM -WT 15000 aka Turkana Boy. do you know what he was elder? he was a homo erectus . do you know what they are elder? they are our ancestors. is that good enough for you already?

here's your bloody skeleton. try googling it next time:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/15000.html

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~reffland/anthropology/anthro2003/origins/hominid_journey/turkana.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana_Boy

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/ridley/image_gallery/Turkana_boy.asp

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/WT15k.html

http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~jerwin/Week6.html

http://people.uncw.edu/albertm/ant210summer03/erectus.htm

now go find your canned replies to turkana boy and come post them here. and then we can get into a debate about whatever you bring up (fossilization, morphology, "apes", "men", etc etc).

i would like one link from you that proves that we were created by god. i want full proof, not just circular logic. i want evidence that not only turns the theory of evolution on it's head, but also does a better job of explaining the data and answering where we come from, how we evolved, and what we can expect to find in the future.

i await your evidence.

TS

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