Hibiscusfire - What are you going to do if I don't shut up - spank me with your Bible?!
Regards
Gill
If you think you’re being funny you’re not!! You just ain’t Sophia from the Golden Girls!!! Hibiscusfire
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Hibiscusfire - What are you going to do if I don't shut up - spank me with your Bible?!
Regards
Gill
If you think you’re being funny you’re not!! You just ain’t Sophia from the Golden Girls!!! Hibiscusfire
Hibiscusfire -
I should bloody well hope I'm not Sophia from the Golden Girls! I'm probably young enough to be her great grand daughter!
However, I sense a little intolerance here to my opinion that spanking is not the most effective way to discipline and control children. This does not make me ignorant, it just shows you to be intolerant. I would NEVER recommend physical violence except in self defense.
Let's just say, you go spank your kids and I'll go use my intelligence to control and teach mine.
Let's agree to disagree. Makes for a much nicer world all round.
Regards
Gill
If a reasonably intelligent adult can't think of a better way to make a child behave than hitting them, then they ought not to have children in their care. I stand by what I said earlier, that using violence (even mild violence) on little kids is just plain wrong.
One time in a grocery store, I saw a guy who couldn't "control" his little daughter. She was acting the way 4-yr olds act normally: chatting a mile a minute, touching stuff in the checkout line out of curiosity, asking for a candy bar. Her "dad" hauled off and smacked her, hard, on her bare leg. It left a big, red handprint that covered her tiny little thigh. As the kid started bawling (just as I would have, if I'd been assaulted by someone four times my size,) her dad rolled his eyes and looked at me, as if for sympathy.
I said to him, "I hope she remembers this stuff years from now, when she's picking out your nursing home." I really wanted to beat the shit out of him, so he'd know how it felt, but I remembered that, while it's legal to hit children, adults are off-limits.
If a reasonably intelligent adult can't think of a better way to make a child behave than hitting them, then they ought not to have children in their care. I stand by what I said earlier, that using violence (even mild violence) on little kids is just plain wrong.
Insomniac, I have learned from my own and others experiences, and from research, that you are so right. There are so many alternatives that just work so much better. Good parenting requires at least a basic grasp of psychology, something many parents have instinctively. Some of us have to work at it - but hey, it works spectacularly.
Hibiscus, if you believe in spanking, I respect your view. But I hope you don't hold that view because of a line of words in the Bible. If so, I love the Bible too, and would like to invite you to a stoning at my place next week.
You know I'm kidding, but don't you see why interpreting the Bible in that relatively modern literalistic way makes no sense. If you're going to do that then you can't pick and choose which verses. I'm off to pluck out my eye now, since it may cause me to sin.
I'm thinking that support for parents works better than judging them - & if anyone commenting doesn't have children, it is a very hard job that parents sometimes fail at doing the very best thing.
What's Your View of Spanking (Children)?
My view is, "Spank 'em if you got 'em."
No, seriously, I'm very, VERY against spanking children or any other cognitive being. I used to think otherwise, but upon further contemplation I realized that spanking is the laziest, most barbaric form of discipline anyone could possibly bestow upon their children. Spanking assumes that these 'human beings' are unable to learn without the use of physical violence, and I believe that this mentatlity is bullshit! Total bullshit. It's not that I'm a soft, 'bleeding heart', because I would gladly smack anyone at any given time, but I don't think that it's necessary.
I don't have kids, but I own a dog and I have never spanked him for anything. I've always ruled with VERBAL discipline which is often followed by certain consequences for unacceptable actions.
Tell me, if a DOG can learn without the use of violence, why not a human being?
lol. because dogs are unconditionaly people pleasers. Even dogs that are beat love their master. Kids are complex thinking beings. They can lie to get what they want and manipulate from a VERY young age. I am not saying spanking as a general rule is ok. I am saying try everything you can other then swatting to help raise your child to become a responsible , loving adult. But if the child is resistant to other ways and a gentle swat helps them remember how they are supposed to behave then so be it. Some parents don't spank but they argue w/ no resolution in front of kids.. they are mean to each other emotionally. They squash kids hopes and dreams. That is a good way to ruin a kid. There are far more things to be careful of then whether a person occasionally swats a kids butt. The overall picture is are they showing unconditional love, respect and laughs. "It takes a village to raise a child"
Kids are complex thinking beings. They can lie to get what they want and manipulate from a VERY young age.
It seems to me that kids and dogs are very similar. Some say that a trained dog has the mental capacity of a 2-5 year old depending on the breed. Every time one of my friends tells me a kid story, I usually have a very similar dog story.
And dogs can lie too! Mine is a trickster. If I have food sitting on the end table, he'll give me a squeek toy and act all innocent as he slowly but surely nudges he way towards the meal, hoping to get a bite. He's basically saying, "See, I'm only here to give you attention, but I'm REALLY after your food!"
i believe spanking should only be used to discipline children who have done something that could be critical to their health or their life.
spanking for: messing with poisons, climbing up on the counters, touching electric sockets.
otherwise i think chores, taking away of priviledges and quiet alone time are the best punishments for talking back, general disobedience.
I view it differently than when my children were growing up, and I spanked them from time to time. Now, I think there are times when a child needs the "shock value" of a spanking, but not to hurt them..............just to get their attention.
I've seen it work on my grandson, when he was out of control. A spanking was about the only thing that would get him to stop ranting and being hysterical about something, and listen.
When used appropriately, I think it can be a good thing.
I don't like it being called abuse when it is used sparingly. I was spanked a few times when I was a child, and I never felt I was being abused. One time I thought my mother was a bit out of control, but so was I.